quick switch between Combi and Prog

[Skraylok]

Hey all,

I cannot find a way to switch quickly between the combi and programs that I LOVE! This will make it absolutely impossible for me to use this keyboard in a live setting. Anybody know of a work around?

[SanderXpander]

Save the combis and programs you use most in an empty bank, all close to each other?

[alexdx]

Use a combi only and enhance it with SW1/SW2 buttons for mute/unmute some layers

[michelkeijzers]

What I do is only using combis ... when I have a program I need I make a combi using that program.

That means for the songs I play live they are in order of the gig, like:

I-A000 SET 1 -> This is a quiet combi just for notification
I-A001 Title of song 1
I-A002 Title of song 2
...
I-A015 Set 2 -> Quiet combi
I-A016 Title of song 1 (of set 2)
...

I-A040 End

I use PCG Tools to quickly moving combis around and change texts.

Furthermore I have another bank for having the same combis but sorted by title, and another part sorted by artist.

Both these sorting possibilities will be in the next version of PCG Tools.

[billbaker]

It may not be clear from previous posts, but what most are suggesting is that (1) switching modes quickly and seamlessly is a pain in the butt, and (2) you can indeed save just one program as a "combi-of-one" and use it with no loss of performance values, then use it (the program) in combi mode without switching back and forth.

The third thing is that you can save any voice data in any order you want (limited by the fact that [for programs] you have to know if that voice location is being used at any other higher level [combi] and whether it has multiple references).

So if you stay in combi mode and write your set list to blank locations and use one-voice combis where you'd normally change modes then you can have your cake and eat it too.


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[michelkeijzers]

It may not be clear from previous posts, but what most are suggesting is that (1) switching modes quickly and seamlessly is a pain in the butt, and (2) you can indeed save just one program as a "combi-of-one" and use it with no loss of performance values, then use it (the program) in combi mode without switching back and forth.

The third thing is that you can save any voice data in any order you want (limited by the fact that [for programs] you have to know if that voice location is being used at any other higher level [combi] and whether it has multiple references).

So if you stay in combi mode and write your set list to blank locations and use one-voice combis where you'd normally change modes then you can have your cake and eat it too.


BB

Switching seamlessly is called SST (Smooth Sound Transition) and is implemented in the Korg Kronos.

With PCG Tools it is just a matter of a few clicks to see which programs are used by which combis so if it is only used by one combi or more. You also can easily move programs without ruining combis (i.e. the the combis are automatically changing references to moved programs).

[Skraylok]

Thanks for all your replies everybody!
I am not necessarily talking about SST.

The problem I am facing is that the lead patches that I want to use lose their effects after I drop them into a combi (Reverb, chorus, layering etc). Is there a way to retain those settings?

[michelkeijzers]

I am not necessarily talking about SST.

The problem I am facing is that the lead patches that I want to use lose their effects after I drop them into a combi (Reverb, chorus, layering etc). Is there a way to retain those settings?

You can copy all the effects with it but of course used effects cannot be overwritten by other programs to the combi without ruining the lead program.

What I do mostly is:
- Copy the most important program including all effects (IFX/MFX).
- Copy then less important programs and copy those effects for which empty effect slots are left.
- At the end try to reroute the less important programs through existing effects.

[TkWall]

I didn't hear you say you wanted smooth transitions, just move from either a combi or a program to the next quickly. I load each one with auto song setup as a new song in the sequencer without any notes. The settings, patches, effects are all copied. Name each entry something like "second set lead in". You can go quickly to the next. You can load the grand piano multiple times wherever you need it. You don't have to override existing patches. You can go forward and back. You can create 20 sets of 99 each. You can save them externally. You can import them. Sometimes the sequencer isn't just for sequencing.

[drama1]

I thought I read somewhere long ago in a far off distant place that SST was possible using the sequencer somehow for live performance. The only drawback you could not change FX. I know the Motif series can do this using the sequencer as a workaround.

[billbaker]

The break in sound comes when the FX reset as you change from one sound to another.

The sequencer trick works because as you change from one track or instrument to another the sequence's FX do not change.

BUT you don't get any more FX with a sequencer than you do with a combi, so you still need to do some work on what FX you plan to use because you may have to compromise on some sounds especially if they depend on several FX for their identifiable timbre (i.e., a guitar with chorus-distortion-multitap delay-reverb) and or have very different settings.

What is seldom mentioned in sequencer or combi discussions is that the order in which IFX appear makes a big difference in their usability by multiple instruments. If you have a chain of IFX that are linked you are allowed to route secondary instruments in after the first effect in the chain. So, given the example guitar above, a smarter routing might be (1)distortion-(2)multitap-(3)chorus-(4)reverb. That way you could insert a pad at step (3) and drums at step (4) and not have the wilder end of the FX chain that might not be suitable for those sounds.

If you need the same type of effect on more than three instruments consider putting that into the Master FX section - you can balance (from off/dry to 100%/wet) the amount of the MFX each instrument receives but the same parameter settings (i.e, OD or compression amount) will apply.


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[chrisfp99]

michelkeijzers (or anybody),

When you say

- Copy the most important program including all effects (IFX/MFX).
- Copy then less important programs and copy those effects for which empty effect slots are left.
- At the end try to reroute the less important programs through existing effects.

Do you mean that for the less important programs you can still copy insert effects if any slots are available WITH A COMMAND, without overwriting the first program's effects, or are you saying you have to set these insert effects manually?

The manual doesn't seem to cover this topic.

Thanks,

Chris

[michelkeijzers]

michelkeijzers (or anybody),

When you say

- Copy the most important program including all effects (IFX/MFX).
- Copy then less important programs and copy those effects for which empty effect slots are left.
- At the end try to reroute the less important programs through existing effects.

Do you mean that for the less important programs you can still copy insert effects if any slots are available WITH A COMMAND, without overwriting the first program's effects, or are you saying you have to set these insert effects manually?

The manual doesn't seem to cover this topic.

Thanks,

Chris

To be honest, I'm not sure, I don't own a Krome. However on the Kronos there is a check box when copying a program to a combi to only copy 'used' IFXs. Check the manual if the Krome has this possibility too.

If not, then you need to manually copy it.
You don't want all IFXs to be copied since it will overwrite the IFXs of the (more important) timbres already copied.

[X-Trade]

Pretty sure even the drop-down menu will still have a Copy IFX option for individual FXs. You just have to route them manually.