Next level of Keyzones & layering.

Rskeys · Post by **Rskeys** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:20 pm

Layering sound and spliting keyboards has been pretty much the same operation in the last 2 decades +/-, m i the only one that would love to see some improvement on this feature?!

Imagine that you need a strings sound in the lower octave, the same sound in the upper octave and a piano or any other sounds in the reamining midle keys.
You end up using 1 combi slot for piano and 2 for strings ( the same sound). Couldn't this be handled with a key range mute feature or something...

So what are you thought's and wishes in basic feature improvement?

Regards,

Ricardo

apex · Post by **apex** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:48 pm

I see where you are coming from. But in your example you only needed 3 sounds and you have 16 slots. So what difference does it make that you needed to use 2 slots for 1 sound? I would understand it better if you only had 4 slots (like on the motif) or even 8 like the Triton series... but you've got 16. AND YOU ONLY NEEDED TO USE 3...

get what I'm saying?

Laste7 · Post by **Laste7** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:56 pm

""Imagine that you need a strings sound in the lower octave, the same sound in the upper octave and a piano or any other sounds in the reamining midle keys.
You end up using 1 combi slot for piano and 2 for strings ( the same sound). Couldn't this be handled with a key range mute feature or something... ""

I think, exactly to be able to do this, they spend the Combi Slots....so you want an improvement by deleting an improvement?

Sorry, but like Apex, I don't understand the problem....

Buy the way: For muting etc. you can also use the vector stick, if 16 Combi-Slots should be really not enough...

NuSkoolTone · Post by **NuSkoolTone** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:18 pm

I see both POV here and have wondered about it myself. it would be nice if you had an "inverse" for keyrange as well allowing you to say "Just don't sound on this part of the keyboard"

Also with 16 patches available, I'd REALLY like to see (in fact WANT so bad) the ability to GROUP patches together so one slider can adjust the volume of that group simultaneously. Maybe even color code them. This would be especially useful for layers.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:15 pm

NuSkoolTone wrote:I see both POV here and have wondered about it myself. it would be nice if you had an "inverse" for keyrange as well allowing you to say "Just don't sound on this part of the keyboard"

Also with 16 patches available, I'd REALLY like to see (in fact WANT so bad) the ability to GROUP patches together so one slider can adjust the volume of that group simultaneously. Maybe even color code them. This would be especially useful for layers.

What I normally do (well it's my plan at least) to have timbres not being used being assigned to a program that has not its waveform loaded so it turns red.

Then I group them by keeping one 'red'/unused timbre between each group. It cost a few timbres but work reasonably easy.

Of course your solution would be ideal.

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:15 pm

I requested the same feature back when OASYS came out. Nothing happened since so...

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:08 pm

vEddY wrote:I requested the same feature back when OASYS came out. Nothing happened since so...

With PCG Tools you can at least move timbres up/down and clean them easily (while making timbres colored 'red') but of course I cannot change the colors to anything I want because that is not supported in the PCG file format.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:50 pm

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here. Do you want to have the same pitch ranges for strings on either side of the piano? As for volume changes I just turn the pedal off for the piano sound.
But like I said. Not sure.

Rskeys · Post by **Rskeys** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:26 am

jeremykeys wrote:I'm not quite sure what the problem is here. Do you want to have the same pitch ranges for strings on either side of the piano? As for volume changes I just turn the pedal off for the piano sound.
But like I said. Not sure.

There is no problem, just lack of improvement IMHO in one of the most worked feature on any keyboard. There as been no improvement no new ideias to improve layering and Zoning in the last 2 decades...

I gave a 3 sound example but i could easly have said 16 . My point is that so many times i find my self using multiple slots with the same sound just to acomplish a crazy layering (Like fully harmonizing a Brass run on a given harmony). Just imagine if instead of choosing a keyrange you could individualy mute any key you want on a layer and have it had is how pitch. The possibilities...

As i said above, there is no problem, but i shure would love to see improvement in this basic feature.

Regards,

Ricardo.

P.S- I'm very sorry if i dont make myself clear, my english isn't that good

gjvti · Post by **gjvti** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:43 am

Oh yes, I have a dream too - even wrote a concept of complete layering/realtime midi application for ipad. Karma for ipad would be handy too (that's not planned as I read at karma lab forums), but complete midi signal management/redirection/transformation tool is what I really miss. Of course, if only ipad allows low latency/jitter midi. Unfortunately all ipad developers, which I contacted are too busy with their own developments but my coding skills end with simple php :/ so still dream on.

lunaluna · Post by **lunaluna** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:09 pm

It would be nice if the sounds in combi would carry over the effects setting from program mode as the Motif does,now that would great !.

Laste7 · Post by **Laste7** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:02 pm

lunaluna wrote:It would be nice if the sounds in combi would carry over the effects setting from program mode as the Motif does,now that would great !.

You can do it, if you use the menupoint at Combis called: "Copy from Programm", than you can choose, if you also want to copy the effects...

blinkofanI · Post by **blinkofanI** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:35 am

What would be great is with that "Copy from Program" function in Combi mode an additional set of parameters for key and velocity zone in the dialog box. So it would be set at the same time as the program import....

Blink

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:09 am

blinkofanI wrote:What would be great is with that "Copy from Program" function in Combi mode an additional set of parameters for key and velocity zone in the dialog box. So it would be set at the same time as the program import....

Blink

I think it will end up in a neverending story. What is wrong with first copying, then change it in the parameters designed for it, instead of copying screens?

Because then others would want to change the pitch, MIDI channel, OSC mode, portamento etc ... end you end up with copying all parameters.

ParadoxMachine · Post by **ParadoxMachine** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:47 am

Admittedly I've been wishing for some more sophisticated mapping capabilities myself, due to the complicated nature of the music I was playing. I found myself needing to mix up sounds scattered around the keyboard, some keys playing the first program, some keys the next, in about 10+ zones. Mapping a program to certain keys with certain transposition settings, in stead of just ranges, would be awesome. So to say, multiple ranges per program.

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