Folks,
One thing is bodering me regarding midi in O.
I wanna send some sounds from Combi of my O to Yamaha DX7II.
So, I connect my O with midi cable, midi in- to DX7 II-midi out.
So on same chanell it works well, everything that I'm playing it plays on DX7, but then I change midi channel to number 2 for one or two sounds in O and also change on DX7 receive and transmit channel on no. 2. Then nothing happens in DX7, it doesnt play sound from my O. Of course, I have change local to off in DX7. I'm not so much in midi but can anyone help with this kind of porblem... I think that every thing is in O but it seems that it doesn't function right.
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Hi gorkymate,
the O is always sending midi data on the basic channel. To send in addition to that on another channel you have either to change the basic channel in global menu which is not very comfortable or you use an timbre for that:
look on the first site in combie mode, there is a tab where you can see "int"; if you tab on, you can choose ext/ext2; if you choose ext or ext2 then the timbre is sending on the midi channel you define in the midi tab. you can switch the timbre on and off or use karma (see tipps an tricks above) to change timbres. Keep in mind that an ext-timbre does not play internal sounds in the O, it is just a "mastercontroler" timbre for external device.
Just to be sure... you use the O as master and the DX7 II as slave? Then you connect Oasys midi out to DX7 II midi in.
hope that helps. If you have a question just ask.
SoulBe
the O is always sending midi data on the basic channel. To send in addition to that on another channel you have either to change the basic channel in global menu which is not very comfortable or you use an timbre for that:
look on the first site in combie mode, there is a tab where you can see "int"; if you tab on, you can choose ext/ext2; if you choose ext or ext2 then the timbre is sending on the midi channel you define in the midi tab. you can switch the timbre on and off or use karma (see tipps an tricks above) to change timbres. Keep in mind that an ext-timbre does not play internal sounds in the O, it is just a "mastercontroler" timbre for external device.
Just to be sure... you use the O as master and the DX7 II as slave? Then you connect Oasys midi out to DX7 II midi in.
hope that helps. If you have a question just ask.
SoulBe
Hi, thx for info..
I'm gonna use O for master, so I wanna use just keybed form DX7 for playing brass, guitar...... sounds.
I tryed today something new.
In User Combi D for example, I use few sounds on 01G midi channel in O and send few sound for DX7 on channel 5, and it is on INT not EXT.
They were empty combi places, but when I try with some allready made Combi it doesn't work... I do all the same here and there and it only works in empty combi's
I'm gonna use O for master, so I wanna use just keybed form DX7 for playing brass, guitar...... sounds.
I tryed today something new.
In User Combi D for example, I use few sounds on 01G midi channel in O and send few sound for DX7 on channel 5, and it is on INT not EXT.
They were empty combi places, but when I try with some allready made Combi it doesn't work... I do all the same here and there and it only works in empty combi's
Korg Kronos 2 73, Korg Triton Extreme 61, Korg Trinity, Roland D-50, Yamaha DX7 IIFD, Korg T2EX
Hi,
not sure if I understood right ....
you have a already made combie, lets say on slot 1 piano, slot 2, organ and slot 3 strings. Their midi channel is on 1G so that you can play the internal sounds and the status is on int. Now you take an empty slot 4 and switch int to ext and the midi tab to lets say 5, then it should work on channel 5. If not you may try to copy an internal program lets say oasys piano to slot 4 and then set the status to ext, then it should work. Or is there another problem? Be aware that the timbre is only sending on the given keyrange.
sorry but i´m not in front of my O ...
best regards
SoulBe
not sure if I understood right ....
you have a already made combie, lets say on slot 1 piano, slot 2, organ and slot 3 strings. Their midi channel is on 1G so that you can play the internal sounds and the status is on int. Now you take an empty slot 4 and switch int to ext and the midi tab to lets say 5, then it should work on channel 5. If not you may try to copy an internal program lets say oasys piano to slot 4 and then set the status to ext, then it should work. Or is there another problem? Be aware that the timbre is only sending on the given keyrange.
sorry but i´m not in front of my O ...
best regards
SoulBe
SoulBe,
When I put 5 midi channel EXT it doesn't work on my DX7 and when turn to INT then it works send. Because in DX7 i put local of and put in on 5 channel , made connection from my O -in to DX7-out.
I think that will probably eat my polyphony then (or not?)because it is open in INT routing source. I'm not sure, exactly
When I put 5 midi channel EXT it doesn't work on my DX7 and when turn to INT then it works send. Because in DX7 i put local of and put in on 5 channel , made connection from my O -in to DX7-out.
I think that will probably eat my polyphony then (or not?)because it is open in INT routing source. I'm not sure, exactly
Korg Kronos 2 73, Korg Triton Extreme 61, Korg Trinity, Roland D-50, Yamaha DX7 IIFD, Korg T2EX
Hi,
again, you want to use DX7 as slave (means, that you play DX7 via Oasys keys? )then Oasys midi out -------> DX7 midi in and no need to switch local off.
Then it should work like described. You use the keybed of the O and it sends midi on/off to DX7 and DX7 plays its own sound.
If you want to control the O with the DX7 keybed you go DX7 out ------> Oasys in. In this case you play DX7 keys and it send midi on/off note to O and the O plays.
In this case you have to switch status on "int" because you want to hear the O Sound and only have to choose midi channel lets say five on the midi tab of the combie.
In my setup I use both O and motif es vice versa as slaves and controlers and no local off is switched.
does this help? Otherwise please try to describe again
best regards
SoulBe
again, you want to use DX7 as slave (means, that you play DX7 via Oasys keys? )then Oasys midi out -------> DX7 midi in and no need to switch local off.
Then it should work like described. You use the keybed of the O and it sends midi on/off to DX7 and DX7 plays its own sound.
If you want to control the O with the DX7 keybed you go DX7 out ------> Oasys in. In this case you play DX7 keys and it send midi on/off note to O and the O plays.
In this case you have to switch status on "int" because you want to hear the O Sound and only have to choose midi channel lets say five on the midi tab of the combie.
In my setup I use both O and motif es vice versa as slaves and controlers and no local off is switched.
does this help? Otherwise please try to describe again
best regards
SoulBe
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Gorkymate -
I cannot understand you problem from your written description - for example I cannot understand whether you're looking to play a Combi in the OASYS from the DX7 keyboard or the other way round. I'll assume here you're trying to play a an OASYS Combi from your DX7 keyboard.
Firstly, I suspect a few misconceptions on your part (apologies if I'm wrong in assuming that; and apologies if I'm reading you wrong or providing too simplistic explanations to your level of expertise), but here they are:
1. Having local on or off is irrelevant to this problem so you can ignore that (two synths will talk to each other whether local is on or off)
2. You are not sending sounds in either direction as you seem to suggest from your first post - rather, you are sending MIDI note data only.
Now, for two synths to talk to each other, you need to have them connected correctly cable-wise, and then set to the same MIDI channel.
If the DX7 is to play the OASYS Keyboard, connect the MIDI out from the DX7 to the MIDI in of the OASYS. The other connection is not needed in this example.
So - if the scenario you want is to play the OASYS Combi from your DX7, then set both the DX7 and the OASYS to the same channel. In the case of wanting to play an OASYS Combi, since it has numerous programs associated with numerous Combi channels, you need to make sure that all the individual Combi Channel Programs are all set to the same MIDI channel (the DX7 MIDI Out Channel). If you set them to different MIDI channels to the DX7, they will not respond the MIDI data sent from the DX7.
Note however that the other scenario - where the OASYS keyboard is playing the DX7 (in Combi or indeed any OASYS mode) that the OASYS will trigger the DX7 every time once the OASYS Global MIDI Channel is set to the same as the DX7 (MIDI IN). But I believe in your instance the Global MIDI channel on the OASYS is essentially irrelevant because you are trying to play many individual sounds (layered) in a Combi, from the DX7 keyboard; and in that instance you need all of the Combi individual programs set to the one MIDI channel - that of the DX7 MIDI OUT. You set the individula OASYS Combi Program MIDI channels in the Combi; NOT on the Global MIDI page.
Hope this helps,
Kevin.
I cannot understand you problem from your written description - for example I cannot understand whether you're looking to play a Combi in the OASYS from the DX7 keyboard or the other way round. I'll assume here you're trying to play a an OASYS Combi from your DX7 keyboard.
Firstly, I suspect a few misconceptions on your part (apologies if I'm wrong in assuming that; and apologies if I'm reading you wrong or providing too simplistic explanations to your level of expertise), but here they are:
1. Having local on or off is irrelevant to this problem so you can ignore that (two synths will talk to each other whether local is on or off)
2. You are not sending sounds in either direction as you seem to suggest from your first post - rather, you are sending MIDI note data only.
Now, for two synths to talk to each other, you need to have them connected correctly cable-wise, and then set to the same MIDI channel.
If the DX7 is to play the OASYS Keyboard, connect the MIDI out from the DX7 to the MIDI in of the OASYS. The other connection is not needed in this example.
So - if the scenario you want is to play the OASYS Combi from your DX7, then set both the DX7 and the OASYS to the same channel. In the case of wanting to play an OASYS Combi, since it has numerous programs associated with numerous Combi channels, you need to make sure that all the individual Combi Channel Programs are all set to the same MIDI channel (the DX7 MIDI Out Channel). If you set them to different MIDI channels to the DX7, they will not respond the MIDI data sent from the DX7.
Note however that the other scenario - where the OASYS keyboard is playing the DX7 (in Combi or indeed any OASYS mode) that the OASYS will trigger the DX7 every time once the OASYS Global MIDI Channel is set to the same as the DX7 (MIDI IN). But I believe in your instance the Global MIDI channel on the OASYS is essentially irrelevant because you are trying to play many individual sounds (layered) in a Combi, from the DX7 keyboard; and in that instance you need all of the Combi individual programs set to the one MIDI channel - that of the DX7 MIDI OUT. You set the individula OASYS Combi Program MIDI channels in the Combi; NOT on the Global MIDI page.
Hope this helps,
Kevin.
Thanks for time.
Sorry to get you so much in this post, but I need some help.
I wanna play O sound on DX7 keys! That is what I mean.
Now I have gone programing and it works, when I use Combi User D bank... where are ''empty'' combi's. (changing from 01G midi to 5-th channel for certain program's)
That's ok and working fine as I want.
But, if I use some Combi from User A bank or some factory preset, then when I set midi channel 5 for sound to play on yamaha it does't play it.. strangely, when is on 01G midi channel, then every sound goes up, on DX7 as well, but when i change from 1-th to 5-th channel then program that I wish to use is not playing on yamaha!!
Also, what I found out that program's or combi's sounds diffrently then on O.
Is that related to the fact I'm using DX7 midi and data is procesed in the ''old way''? Because of the age factor between this two keyboard?
Also, if I wann use expression pedal for volume tpo control my volume on DX7 , where do I set up functions for it and if I wanna have same function like violin sound going to pizzicato when pressed SW1 button on O or do Ihave to make change in DX7?
This is confusing for me, since I hav e module's at home but not using them much....
What is the difference if I wish to use my Trinity up and mix sounds in combi's form O with some Trinity program sounds , using Trinity keys for that?
Sorry to get you so much in this post, but I need some help.
I wanna play O sound on DX7 keys! That is what I mean.
Now I have gone programing and it works, when I use Combi User D bank... where are ''empty'' combi's. (changing from 01G midi to 5-th channel for certain program's)
That's ok and working fine as I want.
But, if I use some Combi from User A bank or some factory preset, then when I set midi channel 5 for sound to play on yamaha it does't play it.. strangely, when is on 01G midi channel, then every sound goes up, on DX7 as well, but when i change from 1-th to 5-th channel then program that I wish to use is not playing on yamaha!!
Also, what I found out that program's or combi's sounds diffrently then on O.
Is that related to the fact I'm using DX7 midi and data is procesed in the ''old way''? Because of the age factor between this two keyboard?
Also, if I wann use expression pedal for volume tpo control my volume on DX7 , where do I set up functions for it and if I wanna have same function like violin sound going to pizzicato when pressed SW1 button on O or do Ihave to make change in DX7?
This is confusing for me, since I hav e module's at home but not using them much....
What is the difference if I wish to use my Trinity up and mix sounds in combi's form O with some Trinity program sounds , using Trinity keys for that?
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OK -
The reason it sounds different when played from the DX7 is (and you're not going to like the reason!) - the DX7 only plays to a maximum velocity of MIDI Velocity Value 100 (and not 127). I can confirm this because I own a DX1, and SY77 and SY99 (both which straddle you DX7II) and ALL of them behave this way. But you don't have to take my word - it's a well known 'phenomenon'. of early Yamaha MIDI synths.
Hence - any other synthesizer sound played form a DX/SY synthesizer sounds more muffled or at a lower than expected velocity value when compared to the sound played from its original keyboard. The only solution is to use some sort of MIDI scaling software in a DAW like Logic - routing your DX7 MIDI out through the Logic environment and multiplying the MIDI velocity by 1.27 and forwarding it to the OASYS. But if connecting the DX7 directly to the OASYS there is no solution.
As an aside, I happen to like this. I use my SY99 to play two JD800's in one of my setups, and they sound beautifully mellow and far more controlled when played from the SY99 keyboard (so this technical mistake by early Yamaha MIDI keyboards has its advantages).
I'm not so sure, still, on your MIDI channel issue. I have to confess to being a little rusty in my understanding of the OASYS Combi MIDI channels in relation to the OASYS Global MIDI Channel. However, I remind you that you must always match up the DX7 MIDI OUT to the OASYS MIDI IN for the DX 7 to play the OASYS. For example, I don't think that the Global MIDI channel take priority over Combi MIDI channels; so I can't think why if the DX7 is transmitting on MIDI channel 5 that Combi programmes set to MIDI channel 5 do not respond.
It really does seem to me (given what you say about the combi responding when set to Global channel 1) that the combi's individual programmes are set either to MIDI Channel 1 or Global Channel, and not explicitly to MIDI Channel 5. Again I emphasize - you need to go into the Combi Edit Mode and go to the MIDI page and change the individual programmes to MIDI Channel 5 (or else if set to Global Channel the go to the Global page and set the Global MIDI channel to 5).
Kevin.
The reason it sounds different when played from the DX7 is (and you're not going to like the reason!) - the DX7 only plays to a maximum velocity of MIDI Velocity Value 100 (and not 127). I can confirm this because I own a DX1, and SY77 and SY99 (both which straddle you DX7II) and ALL of them behave this way. But you don't have to take my word - it's a well known 'phenomenon'. of early Yamaha MIDI synths.
Hence - any other synthesizer sound played form a DX/SY synthesizer sounds more muffled or at a lower than expected velocity value when compared to the sound played from its original keyboard. The only solution is to use some sort of MIDI scaling software in a DAW like Logic - routing your DX7 MIDI out through the Logic environment and multiplying the MIDI velocity by 1.27 and forwarding it to the OASYS. But if connecting the DX7 directly to the OASYS there is no solution.
As an aside, I happen to like this. I use my SY99 to play two JD800's in one of my setups, and they sound beautifully mellow and far more controlled when played from the SY99 keyboard (so this technical mistake by early Yamaha MIDI keyboards has its advantages).
I'm not so sure, still, on your MIDI channel issue. I have to confess to being a little rusty in my understanding of the OASYS Combi MIDI channels in relation to the OASYS Global MIDI Channel. However, I remind you that you must always match up the DX7 MIDI OUT to the OASYS MIDI IN for the DX 7 to play the OASYS. For example, I don't think that the Global MIDI channel take priority over Combi MIDI channels; so I can't think why if the DX7 is transmitting on MIDI channel 5 that Combi programmes set to MIDI channel 5 do not respond.
It really does seem to me (given what you say about the combi responding when set to Global channel 1) that the combi's individual programmes are set either to MIDI Channel 1 or Global Channel, and not explicitly to MIDI Channel 5. Again I emphasize - you need to go into the Combi Edit Mode and go to the MIDI page and change the individual programmes to MIDI Channel 5 (or else if set to Global Channel the go to the Global page and set the Global MIDI channel to 5).
Kevin.
Kevin , you are right.
I lost there in Logic enviroment etc... cause I'm not using so much some software programs or systems..
No things work but it is strange for me that when I change ''premade'' Combi's midi channel it doesn't work.
How can I set up then if I wish to use O and Trinity sounds on Trinity keybed?
For example, use 2 program from O and 2 from Trinity on Trinity keys?
I lost there in Logic enviroment etc... cause I'm not using so much some software programs or systems..
No things work but it is strange for me that when I change ''premade'' Combi's midi channel it doesn't work.
How can I set up then if I wish to use O and Trinity sounds on Trinity keybed?
For example, use 2 program from O and 2 from Trinity on Trinity keys?
Korg Kronos 2 73, Korg Triton Extreme 61, Korg Trinity, Roland D-50, Yamaha DX7 IIFD, Korg T2EX
Hi gorkymate,
I checked IA 006 Delicato strings... but it works. If I set the first 4 timbres to midi channel 5 and play on my kurz on channel 5 no problem, sounds the same; but I could imagine what the problem is... if you had set only the first timbre GCH to Ch5 then it plays only the first timbre .... because of karma; that also might be the problem with other presets..
if you look at the timbre midi page the first is set to GCH, others to Ch 2 or 3, but when you play they all sound. Normally a timbre won´t sound if its midichannel is not Globalchannel or 1, but if you press the karma tab you see a midi i/out window (tab GE setup)
There is defined that incomming midi data on Gch is routed through midi 2,3,4 etc and the timbre trough check box is checked. So if you change the input channel next to module A from Gch to 5 then all midi data on 5 is sent trough to 2,3 etc and you only have to change the midi channel of the first timbre from global ch to 5 ..... maybe that was causing the problem.
best regards
SoulBe
I checked IA 006 Delicato strings... but it works. If I set the first 4 timbres to midi channel 5 and play on my kurz on channel 5 no problem, sounds the same; but I could imagine what the problem is... if you had set only the first timbre GCH to Ch5 then it plays only the first timbre .... because of karma; that also might be the problem with other presets..
if you look at the timbre midi page the first is set to GCH, others to Ch 2 or 3, but when you play they all sound. Normally a timbre won´t sound if its midichannel is not Globalchannel or 1, but if you press the karma tab you see a midi i/out window (tab GE setup)
There is defined that incomming midi data on Gch is routed through midi 2,3,4 etc and the timbre trough check box is checked. So if you change the input channel next to module A from Gch to 5 then all midi data on 5 is sent trough to 2,3 etc and you only have to change the midi channel of the first timbre from global ch to 5 ..... maybe that was causing the problem.
best regards
SoulBe