Is it just me? or is the tinity plus better at bass?

Hexfix93 · Post by **Hexfix93** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:14 pm

Wow. The prophecy is so nice, i finally got my trinity plus back and compared it to the ms 20 and poly six, and i prefer the prophecy for bass. WOW.

Shakil · Post by **Shakil** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:11 pm

WOW... good for you!

JPWC · Post by **JPWC** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:30 pm

I don't agree with you, the Trinity does not play bass, where karma from the Kronos (or th M3/Karma) can, just give them a chord.

I use to own a Korg Prophecy, (wish I never sold it!) Do you mean a program on the Trinity named prophecy?

But all that aside I can't disagree with YOUR preference, it's just not mine.

Hexfix93 · Post by **Hexfix93** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:51 pm

It sits in the mix way better, the va's on the kronos sound washed and weird in a mix with other hardware, i am becoming less impressed as i use it.

Still love hd1, mod7, but starting to not like al1, ms20, and polysix, i think my virus, sylenth1, pluggiator, and korg prophecy kill them.

They do. Sadly. I am finding the kronos is amazing for atmospheric stuff, not great for bass and leads that stick out in a big mix..

Maybe its time to sell the kronos and buy an m3 with a radias. How sad. I prefer how the trinity sound over all to the kronos, the sound is more lush and pure in this strange way.

Kidding on the m3, i had that and thought it sounded mid rangey and lacked the sparkle of the trinity and the grit of the triton. Korg keeps unimpressing me, i hated the r3 too. Love the prophecy, z1, trinity, triton.

The problem is it sounds so washed in a mix. It sounds like bad software in some ways. Uhgg, i wanted to like this so much.

the Trinity plus has the prophecy card built in, so it has a prophecy synth inside. Yes, I am talking about the KORG PROPHECY THAT IS INSIDE MY TRINITY PLUS.

jeebustrain · Post by **jeebustrain** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:09 pm

have you tried adjusting the EQ or any other effects on your bass sounds in the Kronos? I've never had problems with things sitting in the mix with other synths (and as seen below, I also own an actual Prophecy).

lloydsmith · Post by **lloydsmith** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:10 pm

It was your 'favourite synth ever' last week, now you are talking about selling it again.... is there a biorythmic connection?

Hexfix93 · Post by **Hexfix93** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:21 pm

When i make music with the kronos alone, its pretty cool, start writing with my other hardware and it just doesn't shine or stick out as good as the others do. It sounds washed in a mix with other stuff.

I mix loud and hard, this might be why you don't notice it like I do, i push the levels with compressors and amps.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:33 pm

Tbh I do really like some of the bass sounds from my MOSS board. But I haven't dug into programming my Kronos yet. Seems to me AL1 and STR1 should be like upgraded versions of the essential "bass engines" in the MOSS board.

blinkofanI · Post by **blinkofanI** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:43 pm

Hexfix93 wrote:Wow. The prophecy is so nice, i finally got my trinity plus back and compared it to the ms 20 and poly six, and i prefer the prophecy for bass. WOW.

, i mean,

I remember my Trinity but AL-1 kills it,and so does the MS-20 and PolySix. Most likely, you know MOSS very well for using it for a long time and you are not yet as comfortable programming the said engines of the Kronos.

Blink

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:11 pm

Hexfix93 wrote:the va's on the kronos sound washed and weird in a mix with other hardware
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Still love hd1, mod7, but starting to not like al1, ms20, and polysix, i think my virus, sylenth1, pluggiator, and korg prophecy kill them.

Funny, I never faced the "Hexfix problems" with the Kronos VAs.
The Kronos VAs allow anything from butter soft to hard cutting through any mix. So the fault might be on the programming and mixing side rather than in the Kronos. Ever considered that???

But I guess it is well possible to first blow all dynamics out of a mix with overcompression and amp misuse (so called "hard" use), and then wonder why the Kronos sounds too well defined in the resulting trashy mud.

Frankly: that kind of boasting thread (it's not the first over the top Kronos judgement from you, Hexfix) makes me smile at best, but definitely not take the bold claims uttered here too serious.

The Kronos VAs deliver basses and leads which easily cut through mixes.
Anyway: if someone can't get the desired results from something as good as a Kronos VAs, he might chose a simpler or older alternative. I will have all the fun with the Kronos VAs in the meantime.

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:17 am

jimknopf wrote: So the fault might be on the programming and mixing side rather than in the Kronos. Ever considered that???
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+1

Darmin De'flern · Post by **Darmin De'flern** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:39 pm

Found the basis on my bass tracks to be superb and the trance kit was excellent to had to turn the bass down on my 2.1 monitors (when mixing) as I was getting ear fatigue due to the punchiness of the bass!

Kontrol49 · Post by **Kontrol49** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:09 pm

Isn't it all a matter of personal taste at the end of the day..

Our tastes shift from time to time.

I'm sure after a while your ears will become fatigued with the Prophecy sound after over using it and you'll enjoy the Kronos again,this invariably happens all the time in my case especially if I haven't used a certain synth for a while,you kind of rediscover the magic of it again after a period of absence from it and its perhaps whats happening in the case of the Prophecy.

You may find learning to program the Kronos Exis to your tastes will help you reconnect with what you perhaps dislike about its sound and you may discover things you never thought possible,Korg Workstation Romplers have never been too heavy weight in the bass department(other than with over emphasised EQ)but the Polysix and MS20 engines certainly pack some punch and are quite easy to get some good results Especially stacking timbres inside a combi,would sonically blow the Prophecy out of the water for earth shattering basses.

The Prophecy is a great synth,but the possibilities inside the Kronos far exceed it,also nothing to stop you sampling the sounds you like on The Prophecy and adding it to some other Engines to get some phat layers/timbres

levioter · Post by **levioter** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:18 pm

Hexfix again a comment on the Kronos Bass not good or not sufficiently hard or whatever !
Again could you post an audio file with an example of what you think to be the good one for you ?
In this case the great programmers here in this forum will be pleased to find a similar (certainly better in my opinion) sound from the Kronos VA engines.

So please do it and we will see !

Cheers.

PS: just for your info I own a "Real" Minimoog and the Kronos is able to compete.

Hexfix93 · Post by **Hexfix93** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:55 pm

The kronos VAs have this plastic sheen that is even worse than the virus a, it lacks this sound in the low mids, it can go sub but in the 60 to 200 range something is just missing, no magic in the tone it sounds scooped and thin.

It can do bass but not good bass in that range, it just sounds so fake, as to where the prophecy kinda lacks on the sub ferqs but gets the 60 to 200 hrz range closer to analog sound, it sounds more real or something.

The kronos is good, i like it, but man for that 60 to 200 hrz range this synth is a no go. AL1 does not kill anything, it sounds so damn anemic. The ms20 kills it in fatness. I like kronos for pads, bells, plucked sounds, strings, sound fx, and ambience. I hate it for bass. Does some arps and leads ok but does not beat my plugiator or virus. NO WAY.

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