This is a message to KF and the insults I'm getting.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Sun May 27, 2012 5:06 am

Sina seems to be losing contact with reality. He seriously thinks that he's in contact with alien beings known as the Pleiadians, led by cult leader Barbara Marciniak who "channels" these supposed beings.

Just look at his references on twitter to the Pleiadian cult videos:

http://twitter.com/SinasMusic

Sina, your group is showing similar characteristics to the Heaven's Gate cult and could be headed towards the same ends. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pleiadian cult attempts a mass suicide in 2012.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzWpfq10 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh35j2S68DQ

These cults are incredibly dangerous. Despite Sina's habitual lies, I wouldn't wish to see him fall prey to the ploys of a possibly deranged cult leader like Marciniak.

Kontrol49 · Post by **Kontrol49** » Sun May 27, 2012 11:20 am

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Post by **Sharp** » Sun May 27, 2012 12:30 pm

Sina.
It's time to face reality.

I have disabled your account. Having your account disabled is not the same as being banned as it is a reversible action.

If you want this action reversed, you only need to prove yourself, or come clean and seek help.

I also advise that you do not create another account in the mean time. If you do, you will be caught and you will be banned from KF for life.

Regards
Sharp

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Sun May 27, 2012 1:51 pm

Sharp wrote:
Sina sometimes gives good advice or detailed answers so he clearly knows what he is talking about. That are the posts I love to read.
Problem is he often also does the complete opposite.

His most recent efforts for example just cost a guy on this forum the price of a solid state drive as Sina gave him advice pulled from his a$$.

That ain’t funny.

I then end up receiving complains over this and people asking me why do I let this clown post on the forum.

Sharp.

Yes I can imagine this ... btw, you should not be hold responsible for incorrect posts made by others but I can imagine people will react towards you in case of financial loss due to wrong advice.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Sun May 27, 2012 1:53 pm

Sina172 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP56gc2RdJA

Sharp and xmlguy, this is directed at you two. Sharp primarily.

Sina

I noticed you also say something about Kontrol49. If you also mention my in your video, please let me know (including time range), I stopped listening after a few minutes but if I am on that video I would like to know (and possibly react on it). Thanks in advance, Michel

Kontrol49 · Post by **Kontrol49** » Sun May 27, 2012 7:00 pm

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michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Sun May 27, 2012 9:45 pm

After watching it for two minutes I started fast forwarding because it didn't seem like a consistent story but who am I to judge.

However, I try to refrain from endless (serious) discussions. I already have been part of one the last weekend however that one is more like a joke, this one seems to be quite serious (however maybe not to taken too seriously).

Btw, I fully agree about your point in the difference between being rich and happy. If my goal was to be rich I wouldn't spend that much time to music, internet, chatting and discussions here but since I do all these things I have a lot of friends (although I cannot participate into every chat or discussion due to time reasons).

Let's hope Sina will find his direction back and we can welcome him again as valuable member.

cello · Post by **cello** » Sun May 27, 2012 10:17 pm

I apologise in advance if this post offends - I'm not aiming to offend anyone, but I do want to step in to support sina.

Referring to the rules of this forum that we all had to agree to when joining:

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed).

It appears to me that a member of the forum is being rounded upon in a way that could be considered abusive and hateful.

I personally don't care if sina has $50 in the bank or $50 million. I don't care if he has 48 Tritons or none.

His contributions are colourful, yes. Entertaining, yes. Useful? Actually yes. For example, his energetic enthusiasm for the O seq for mastering made me explore it more. He made me think I had missed something - as it happens he was right.

The fact that he feels he has to post videos explaining his position makes me think it's gone too far. I feel for the guy.

By all means disagree with him (we all have that right) - by all means don't believe him (we have that right too).

But he is a fellow of this forum. That deserves at least some respect at a human level.

Hope I've not offended.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Sun May 27, 2012 11:20 pm

cello wrote:I apologise in advance if this post offends - I'm not aiming to offend anyone, but I do want to step in to support sina.

Referring to the rules of this forum that we all had to agree to when joining:
You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed).
It appears to me that a member of the forum is being rounded upon in a way that could be considered abusive and hateful.

I personally don't care if sina has $50 in the bank or $50 million. I don't care if he has 48 Tritons or none.

His contributions are colourful, yes. Entertaining, yes. Useful? Actually yes. For example, his energetic enthusiasm for the O seq for mastering made me explore it more. He made me think I had missed something - as it happens he was right.

The fact that he feels he has to post videos explaining his position makes me think it's gone too far. I feel for the guy.

By all means disagree with him (we all have that right) - by all means don't believe him (we have that right too).

But he is a fellow of this forum. That deserves at least some respect at a human level.

Hope I've not offended.

You certainly have not offended me.

I also hope Sina can stay (under certain conditions such as giving correct advise as mentioned by Sharp above).

I take his money/Korg posession stories with (a lot of) salt, but for the rest I take him seriously.

Post by **Sharp** » Mon May 28, 2012 12:25 am

Hi cello.

My 2 cents, you don't really want to be taking the side of someone unstable enough to post a hit for 50 grand across different forums to have someone killed. He could have been locked up for life over that.

Sina is mentally ill. If he can get help and agree to the conditions I've set above for his return, he's welcome here. If not, this place will only make him a lot worst as it's developed into a platform for him to live out his fantasy and so he cannot be allowed back.

Regards
Sharp.

Ojustaboo · Post by **Ojustaboo** » Mon May 28, 2012 1:05 am

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xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Mon May 28, 2012 3:55 am

Here are some excerpts from Sina's second video:

Sina states: "But going back to Sharp, when you said, you know, between me
offering 50 grand on different forums looking for a hitman to kill
people who stole my oasys to the fact that I have millions
you need to realize this, that was four years ago, that's in the past,
get over it, jesus, why do you have to bring up the past, the past is the past,
it's gone, it's over, it's never coming back, ok, yes, I realize you have an
uncanny memory, but this isn't three years ago..."

My comments:

Murder for Hire comes under California's First Degree Attempted Murder Statute of a planned and premeditated crime which carries a potential penalty of life in prison. The statute of limitations in California is based on the potential penalty for a crime, so there is no statute of limitation applicable for attempted murder. This means that Sina could be held legally accountable for any direct step of making any kind of an offer of money for murder, for any length of time, without regard to the success or failure of the attempt. Of course liars like Sina want their past lies to just disappear as if they didn't occur. He blames Sharp for having an "uncanny memory", as if somehow he's to blame for remembering the possible murder threats written by a forum member. It would be crazy for Sharp not to remember this. Some words just can't be taken back and forgotten. See what happens when you yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, or "bomb" on an airplane, or offers of money for murder on public forums. There are legal limitations to speech and there can be legal consequences. I think the main reason why Sina hasn't been reported to the District Attorney in his area is because Sina, if anything, seems too mentally ill to be taken entirely seriously.

More Sina comments from the video:

"I got that Oasys back, yes I did lie about it in the beginning, I do admit that. Obviously I did something right to get it back. Obviously people remembered
that story, they remembered me, and look what happened. It's called "acting as if, when you "act as if", it shows up in your reality, I'm living proof of that.... Some people, all they want to do is, let go of the past sometimes, and this is one of them."

What Sina is saying here is that the ends justifies the means. It's ok to lie if it helps him get what he wants. In fact, he implies that it's good to lie.

In his first video he states:

"And speaking of delusional, a very successful person once told me that there's
a delusional quality that all rich people have to have in order to become
successful. So if I'm delusional then that's kind of a complement, but the way
you're implying it is quite insulting to me."

So to him it's ok and good, even necessary to be delusional in order to achieve success, and he's proud of it, until he is called out by anyone who implies that his delusions are negative in a manner that's insulting to him.

He want the permission to lie and delude himself however he pleases, but don't go judging him or insulting him about his lies and delusions? Sorry, but here in the real world, we have the right and ability to expose his lies and delusions and not consider his fantasy world to be a positive thing for us or others on this forum. If he wants to live in his own little fantasy world, he can make his own forum that he controls. If you want to join him there, be my guest. But here in KorgForums, I think Sharp is well within his right to set the terms of the dialog in the reasonable manner that he's chosen to do so, with regards to Sina's alternate reality.

I'm getting into these details because, if you're going to defend him, you might as well know what you're defending. You're not only defending him but also his principles of intentionally lying to achieve an ends by any untruthful means, that delusions are a positive and necessary thing for success, and that he should be able to discuss his delusions "as if" they are reality because he thinks that his belief will make them come to pass. He might be able to get away with these beliefs with his theta healer, but we have no obligation to uphold his delusions for him here. In fact, I don't really care if he believes these principles in his personal life, so long as he is truthful here for any information that others may rely upon. I don't care if he thinks his house is made with bricks of solid gold, so long as he sticks to the facts in his advice and opinions that he gives to others.

Now take a look at his Youtube history associated with the account he used to post these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/CoolGuy64/feed?filter=2

Flood · Post by **Flood** » Mon May 28, 2012 4:46 am

Kontrol49 · Post by **Kontrol49** » Mon May 28, 2012 6:22 am

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Ojustaboo · Post by **Ojustaboo** » Mon May 28, 2012 2:27 pm

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