About Bank "G"

amiquelagar · Post by **amiquelagar** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:03 am

Sorry about the bad translation. My English and Google is not very good.

My question is regarding the bank "g" and its variations. I find all the same and are 8 apart from the original sound. Is this so or just happen to me? What would be the point?

Pincho Paxton · Post by **Pincho Paxton** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:15 am

A few banks have repeats. I don't get it either.

amiquelagar · Post by **amiquelagar** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:34 am

The problem is that these can not be changed. Spaces are not used.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:05 am

The GM is a general midi standard.

There are 128 GM sounds in the GM bank. However, some of these sounds have variations and these are stored in g(1) to g(9). However, since every bank has to have 128 programs, most of them are filled with duplicates and only some have 'real' variatins (those with a different name).

amiquelagar · Post by **amiquelagar** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:12 am

Ok. Gran respuesta. Una lastima que no sean todos distintos.

csteen · Post by **csteen** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:26 pm

michelkeijzers wrote:The GM is a general midi standard.

There are 128 GM sounds in the GM bank. However, some of these sounds have variations and these are stored in g(1) to g(9). However, since every bank has to have 128 programs, most of them are filled with duplicates and only some have 'real' variatins (those with a different name).

So, is there not a way to overwrite all of those redundant ones?? I can see that space as being put so much better use perhaps.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:10 pm

csteen wrote:
michelkeijzers wrote:The GM is a general midi standard.

There are 128 GM sounds in the GM bank. However, some of these sounds have variations and these are stored in g(1) to g(9). However, since every bank has to have 128 programs, most of them are filled with duplicates and only some have 'real' variatins (those with a different name).
So, is there not a way to overwrite all of those redundant ones?? I can see that space as being put so much better use perhaps.

No, it is in ROM, so it cannot be changed. It doesn't really cost much space, but it is annoying that a lot of duplicates GM sounds are shown (in the Kronos this is more or less resolved), but don't count for a similar update the for M50.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:11 pm

amiquelagar wrote:Ok. Gran respuesta. Una lastima que no sean todos distintos.

Please write in English, you probably get much faster answers (or use google translator if your English is lacking. However, even not so good English is mostly understood here so give it a try.

amiquelagar · Post by **amiquelagar** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:38 pm

Ok. It was a mistake really. The text was translated with google but the wrong copy of the translation, ie the original text.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:44 pm

@michelkeijzers,

I have to agree about the annoyance factor.

Many new users may not realize that in addition to being a standard palate of sounds, that most of the GM sounds are also pretty good sounding without FX and that they are single voice programs that can extend polyphony in sequences. Very handy if you do lots of sequencing.

While I have found some of the extended GM sounds very useful, I have to say that the fact that they (the duplicates) have been there for something close to ten years ( first encounter for me was on the Triton Classic) without any modification available as a firmware update or even possible by users is very frustrating.

As a primarily live player, GM has a role for me only if it contributes to voices in a combi. It would be great to have access to multiple variations of the GM sounds on ALL the voices, including drum kits.

Hey, korg, it's about time, neh?

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andersborg · Post by **andersborg** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:31 pm

As someone said, GM/GS patches are in ROM and the duplicates don't take much extra space (references rather than instances, in program-speak). If they would all be configurable, it would be a whole different matter.

For those that want to know more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_MIDI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_GS

The alternative would have been to scrap GM/GS entirely, and I don't think that would make sense for those that want to play MIDI GM files.