Can anyone help with this patch?

S_FuNk · Post by **S_FuNk** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:29 pm

I am trying to create a patch like these ones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGvYrzemJOw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTEngXicyMY

I suppose I have 2 questions:

-How do you do this?
-Is it possible to do this on the r3?

Any help would be much appreciated.

DaniH · Post by **DaniH** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:48 pm

It is possible. It sounds like a simple brass patch. How would you go about making it?? I don't know. I can only get the sound in my head out. Just start with a brass patch and tweak until you like the sound you have created.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:18 am

The patch is a harmonic 3rd, 4th, or 5th. I'm not near a synth at the moment to compare which it is exactly, but I know it's one of them. You can tune and mix OSC2 to the matching harmonic of the youtube vid. Or you can pick one of the built in DWGS waves that are a harmonic 3rd or 5th. I don't recall if there are any DWGS 4ths, since it's a less common harmonic choice. Saw waves are the natural choice for brass. You won't get the same dynamics, though, without a breath controller like the Yamaha BC3A with the midi solutions interface.

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodbth.htm

S_FuNk · Post by **S_FuNk** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:22 pm

Thanks. It's not the brass sound I'm struggling with it's the stuff underneath the note that's played.

I can tune OSC2 down a 3rd 4th or 5th but I can't make it change note to note. In the patches in the video, the distance that OSC2 is tuned down are changing each time a note is played which creates this bizzare awesome counterpoint and I'm just not sure how to do that.

Any Ideas?

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:44 am

If OSC1 is the root note, then OSC2 should be tuned UP to a 3rd, and it should automatically stay tuned to a relative third of the root note when OSC1 changes. I'm not sure why you're not seeing that, unlees you've messed with the keytrack. If you pick one of the DWGS waves with a built-in 3rd, then you have no choice - the third HAS to follow the root note because they are part of the DWGS wave.

cello · Post by **cello** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:15 am

Going by the second video I'd say that the intervals used are not fixed at a 4th or whatever - the constantly change; at one point the tonic goes down but the descant goes up, for example.

In which case I would say you can't do it by tuning the osc out because that would be a fixed interval relative to each note you play.

Is it not something to do with this expander thing the guy uses (in the second video)?

Dimitrije001 · Post by **Dimitrije001** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:31 pm

I think that this is done by using alternative tuning scales for different layers of the same sound (an option the R3 doesn't have). It's a trick popular with folks who play arranger keyboards - they often use it to 'auto harmonize' lead sounds. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMeCO-hW ... re=related

S_FuNk · Post by **S_FuNk** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:22 am

cello wrote:Going by the second video I'd say that the intervals used are not fixed at a 4th or whatever - the constantly change; at one point the tonic goes down but the descant goes up, for example.

In which case I would say you can't do it by tuning the osc out because that would be a fixed interval relative to each note you play.

Is it not something to do with this expander thing the guy uses (in the second video)?

Yeah exactly! this is the problem. I think it does have to do with the expander thing, meaning that it can't be done with the R3

I think it is done by tuning the osc but somehow programing it's tuning interval to change at each new attack. I'm not sure how to do that, and I'm not seeing how it would be possible on the R3. DWGS waves have the same problem don't they? or am I just not seeing it??