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[panrixx]

So much about having an open mind. Good going, guys.

Nothing to do with having an open mind. I'd rather not spend time shifting through loads of stuff to find if anything is relevant to the thread subject - often the topic is de-railed within a few posts.

I have choosen and ordered a Kronos. I do not intend to buy a XF, JP-80 or whatever. So, I'm not too interested in the opinions of 'some' who own none of these.

I came here to learn about the Kronos and I have better things to do with my time than read pages of text that basically says 'my knob is bigger than your knob'

[BillW]

It's not about having an open or closed mind, IMO. It's simply about focus.

Exactly.

I asked a (maybe really dumb) question about the Pads on the Kronos which has yet to garner a single reply. Is the question too dumb for the advanced users on this forum?

Maybe. And if so, I'll learn to deal with that. But at the same time we've got pages and pages of discussion about things like the JP 80 manual and whether or not the Kronos fan noise is a deal-breaker or not?

Keywhiz61, your question was was probably too advanced for most people on this forum. I don't even remember seeing it, but let's face it, a lot of good information is quickly buried by other topics such as sound quality (as if most could tell the difference) or the data wheel falling off. There has been some improvement in useful information vs. static recently....maybe that trend will continue.

[cello]

So much about having an open mind. Good going, guys.

Nothing to do with having an open mind or not! There are many folks in this world and some keyboard users get a buzz out of the techie side and compare products down to capacitor level. Fine by me - but doesn't interest me.

If there's something out there that's a million times better than my OASYS fair enough! But I am more interested in getting the best out of what I have musically, not technically. As I posted earlier, if a sample can fool listeners for long enough then for my music that is perfect. If I want a highly exposed guitar solo, I'll hire a guitarist.

Anyway, I think there's room for both schools of thought (technical/comparison and then the learning about a specific instruments capability) here on KF - it's just that sometimes, for me, it would be preferable just to seperate the two.

[curvebender]

I asked a (maybe really dumb) question about the Pads on the Kronos which has yet to garner a single reply. Is the question too dumb for the advanced users on this forum?

The Kronos doesn't have pads.

[BillW]

I asked a (maybe really dumb) question about the Pads on the Kronos which has yet to garner a single reply. Is the question too dumb for the advanced users on this forum?

The Kronos doesn't have pads.

LOL...well, there's that.

[keywhiz61]

Keywhiz61, your question was was probably too advanced for most people on this forum.

Nah, it was just a basic question about what "pads" even ARE and how/why to best use them. Presumably this is a feature that has been on Korg's and maybe other synths for years, but it's new to me and not easily clear to me from reading the manuals.

I'm a Korg newbie. And I haven't bought a new synth since my Motif classic a decade ago. Probably the main reason I come to forums like this is to get shortcuts and quick info that sometimes saves me hours of deciphering manuals and playing around with the keyboard to figure out how it works or how to make it do something I need to do.

Frankly, the Motifator forum was great for that when I first bought my Motif years ago. I haven't really gone there in years. Maybe it too has degraded into being a place for mostly immature discussions about this-brand-or-that? I hope not for the sake of new users of their products needing help.

I was hoping this forum would be more like that one. I'm still hoping it CAN be, or I can at least hunt out the useful threads. But right now it seems like it is mostly populated by 12 year olds.

[BillW]

Keywhiz61, your question was was probably too advanced for most people on this forum.

Nah, it was just a basic question about what "pads" even ARE and how/why to best use them. Presumably this is a feature that has been on Korg's and maybe other synths for years, but it's new to me and not easily clear to me from reading the manuals.

I'm a Korg newbie. And I haven't bought a new synth since my Motif classic a decade ago. Probably the main reason I come to forums like this is to get shortcuts and quick info that sometimes saves me hours of deciphering manuals and playing around with the keyboard to figure out how it works or how to make it do something I need to do.

Frankly, the Motifator forum was great for that when I first bought my Motif years ago. I haven't really gone there in years. Maybe it too has degraded into being a place for mostly immature discussions about this-brand-or-that? I hope not for the sake of new users of their products needing help.

I was hoping this forum would be more like that one. I'm still hoping it CAN be, or I can at least hunt out the useful threads. But right now it seems like it is mostly populated by 12 year olds.

The Kronos doesn't have any physical pads like the M3 or OASYS do. However, there are "virtual" pads available via the touch screen (where velocity is controlled by where you touch the screen). You can use the pads to trigger notes, chords, samples, etc. Have a look at this video:

Look just after the 2 minute mark in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/user/KorgUSAVide ... DHwX-kOL0M

Here's what they do on the M3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2zeMgXZRYs

Hope that helps!

[synthguy]

How about 2 Kronos forums:

1) Getting the most out of your Kronos -- this one is for the Kronos owner who is USING the keyboard in the studio or on stage and wants to share real information, tips, tricks, programs, etc.

2) Let's talk about the Kronos -- everything else, including sound/construction comparisons, blah, blah, blah.

This way, #1 users don't need to weed through the #2 stuff which is tedious.

No, just ignore the "Why isn't Kronos perfect?" or "The Jupiter-80 is the best performance synth EVAR" threads. If someone starts deviating off topic unnecessarily, just ask them to keep on topic.

Like off topic discussions never happen on internet chat boards...

There's no reason to ask for the Kronos section to be partitioned into a number of Kronos subsections. That's not going to keep you from seeing someone ask about a comparison to something else, or complaining that the Kronos isn't perfect. No, instead, those kinds of threads are going to be splintered into even more of those types, just based on certain subjects!

Guys, just practice a little discipline, and read what you want to.

[ddavilyx]

Gargamel314, listen and listen carefully. I created this demo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bKs600g2Xg

[ddavilyx]

Mystic38, go back and listen to my demo on youtube. It just got even better. And these sounds are not really third party. They are the same waveforms.

[jorgemncardoso]

Hi guys, i've been reading this thread and just wanted to leave my opinion here. First i honestly don't see the point on making a thread for complaining about Kronos not having realistic guitar sounds and stating Motif's are better, i mean what do people want keyboard's to do anyway? reproduce with 100% realistic detail all acoustic instruments made? I can understand people complaining, about piano sounds, organ sounds, synth sounds, strig ensembles and pads etc... cause most of them are keyboard instruments. How can someone honestly expect to play a guitar on a keyboard and have people believing it's a real guitar?? I'm a guitar player as well as a keyboard player, and yes some guitar's on keyboards are a bit realistic, among other keyboards i have the Motif xs8 and the guitars are very good, for sampled guitars!! And that is how they should be looked like. I like to play those guitars on keyboards, but i see its for what they are, sampled guitars. It just takes one string bend to give away it's not a real guitar, you can not reproduce the acoustic aspects instrument on a keyboard neither can you reproduce the playing technics as-well.
For me if i want it to sound like a real guitar i play a real guitar, or get the guitar player to do it, period! I also play guitar on stage in a few songs, i could play it on the keyboards bot what is the fun in that? And if i did i would not expect people to think, oh where is the guitar player...? Things are what they are.
As for the Motif having better guitars than the Kronos or not, i don't know, haven't had the chance to play a kronos yet unfortunately, hey but if some people think Motif's guitars are better then buy a freaki'n Motif rack as well and stop whining about Kronos not having all the acoustic realistic sounds on earth. I have stuff from a lot of manufacturers, mainly Korg, Yamaha and Roland and use the strength's of each synth or module for my sounds. And how about tweaking the stock sound's to get the sound you want instead of just complaining that the ones in there are bad?

I'm sorry if i sound harsh in some statement's but it seems that people this days want this world and the next on their keyboards, and rely more on technology than in skill some times. I think we should try to work with the gear we have to our benefit, instead of just complaining that it doesn't do what we want it to do.

[michelkeijzers]

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I think most people wanting to create professional music with guitars use real guitars in their recordings. A sampled guitar is good enough for a demo.

For myself as someone using synths live I don't mind much about the reality of a guitar, because we have 2 guitarists in the band. I more care about keyboard instruments and synth / brass sounds.

In the band I am in, we do also not care about recreating covers 100% so that helps too. Musicality is more important than sound recreation.

[jorgemncardoso]

Yes, that's exactly my point. Sampled guitars are good enough for some situations or for creating original sound textures, mixing with pads etc, and it sound's good. Are also good to use if you don't have a guitar payer as well or even for a demo, but i'ts unrealistic to think that you can play a sampled guitar so well and have a sample so realistic that you can fool people to believe it's a real guitar, what's the point in that?
Who cares if sound's ultra realistic or not in this case? The question is, does it sound good? Does it sound musical? Then great, that's the important part!! If you want it to sound good AND realistic, i mean really realistic then you just got to use the real thing, cause it's impossible to recreate playing techniques on a keyboard properly. And that goes for a lot of instrument's not just guitars, so i think it's unrealistic to expect this from a keyboard. But again this is my opinion only and like every opinion is subjective.
Probably some more studio oriented musicians would disagree with me, but i'm a stage guy basically (about 80% of it) , and you can have very realistic a processed stuff done in the studio but pulling it off on stage and making it sound as good is another matter.

[keyplayer14]

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For myself as someone using synths live I don't mind much about the reality of a guitar, because we have 2 guitarists in the band. I more care about keyboard instruments and synth / brass sounds.

+1.

Although I'm sometimes called upon to cover guitar parts live I'd never buy a board purely on the strength of it being able to do that well. I've had to do this sort of thing on a variety of gear over the years, and never found it a huge problem to get good results, albeit usually with a bit of tweaking.

[JPROBERTLA]

I will be getting my Kronos within a few weeks, and until then I will hold comments on it's guitar sounds. But, I have a Triton Studio and was asked a while back to to a solo acoustic guitar rendition of a standard Christmas song for use in a live professional level stage play performance. I have done music on my Triton like this for years. At rehearsal, the theater group was astonished at the realistic sound of the piece. I don't think that any of the hundreds of people who attended the performances had any idea that it was not a real instrument. Point is, that with a little tweaking, a good guitar sample from even an old keyboard, can be musical enough to be successful in the proper context. I would not recommend attempting doing a solo acoustic guitar CD on a keyboard and don't think that any keyboard would ever be able to pull that off. That said, it is hard to imagine that the Kronos guitars are not better than the Triton's.