These sounds possible with the Radias?

JamesJeffery · Post by **JamesJeffery** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:24 pm

Really loving these old school 80's style sounds. Can this be done in the Radias?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCaHCsi9bmc

tpantano · Post by **tpantano** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:51 pm

JamesJeffery wrote:Really loving these old school 80's style sounds. Can this be done in the Radias?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCaHCsi9bmc

definitely.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:56 pm

I remember the 80s. I don't recall hearing anything like that. Dubstep mixes didn't exist then. Yes, Radias can do that. Research dubstep wobble bass and supersaws.

tpantano · Post by **tpantano** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 pm

xmlguy wrote:I remember the 80s. I don't recall hearing anything like that. Dubstep mixes didn't exist then. Yes, Radias can do that. Research dubstep wobble bass and supersaws.

I was going say this too, though I don't remember the 80s.
modern music in an 80s style is more like La Roux, this is 80s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUsbpmQ9-mc

70s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N4ckFN96-k

JamesJeffery · Post by **JamesJeffery** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:18 pm

Forgive my history ha ha. I know dubstep wasn't about, I was more focused on the sound. Probably because Joker (the producer) does use some 80's style sounds ... just not in this track.

La Roux is awesome!!!!!!

JamesJeffery · Post by **JamesJeffery** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:19 pm

xmlguy wrote:I remember the 80s. I don't recall hearing anything like that. Dubstep mixes didn't exist then. Yes, Radias can do that. Research dubstep wobble bass and supersaws.

I can do those basslines with Albino on Logic. A lot of it is LFO's. It's my second day with the Radias, I'll get there eventually. Thanks for the reply.

tpantano · Post by **tpantano** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:56 pm

JamesJeffery wrote:
xmlguy wrote:I remember the 80s. I don't recall hearing anything like that. Dubstep mixes didn't exist then. Yes, Radias can do that. Research dubstep wobble bass and supersaws.
I can do those basslines with Albino on Logic. A lot of it is LFO's. It's my second day with the Radias, I'll get there eventually. Thanks for the reply.

Search a little bit down on the R3 page, xmlguy made a wobble bass you can use for the R3. Of course you can use Logic's too.

As for a supersaw,

make a mono patch. start with 1 timbre. Make both oscillators max volume saws, and set osc 1 to unison mode with a bit of detuning. make osc 2 off tune by like 10, maybe put it down an octave or up an octave (12 semitones). Now, go to timbre unison settings. Set it to 4 voices, and change the tuning to 10 or so. Next, go to waveshaping, choose sub osc saw, and set it to max. Also, make it prefilter.

You now have an imitation of a multi-oscillator, or oscillator that makes a whole ton of out of tune saw waves.

There are a few things you can do from here, such as messing with filter cutoffs. Try adding a low pass filter in serial with a high pass filter, then change there cutoffs a bit for a variety of sounds.

Also, try duplicating the timbre. make the 2nd timbre slightly off tune, or transpose it up or down an octave. You could even duplicate it to you have 4 supersaw timbes, although this would be a very loud messy sound!

Finally, try adding in chorus effect to each timbre individually, and also as a master effect. Maybe use ensemble too. Use a 30:70 dry wet.

You now have a HUGE amount of saw waves!

First, you have number 1 oscillator, which is unisoned so its like 2 oscillators. You then add in your 2nd oscillator and sub oscillator, making it like 4. Then, you unison the whole thing with 4 voices- it becomes 16 saw waves! Then, you use the chorus effect, lets say it multiplies the sound by 4, you now have 64 saw waves! But wait, you have four timbres, multiply by four again, that's 256 saw waves! But wait, you used a master chorus effect. 256 * 4 = 1024 saw waves! Obviously, it's not literally this many, but you can see why they call it a super saw!

JamesJeffery · Post by **JamesJeffery** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:02 am

tpantano wrote:
JamesJeffery wrote:
xmlguy wrote:
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First, you have number 1 oscillator, which is unisoned so its like 2 oscillators. You then add in your 2nd oscillator and sub oscillator, making it like 4. Then, you unison the whole thing with 4 voices- it becomes 16 saw waves! Then, you use the chorus effect, lets say it multiplies the sound by 4, you now have 64 saw waves! But wait, you have four timbres, multiply by four again, that's 256 saw waves! But wait, you used a master chorus effect. 256 * 4 = 1024 saw waves! Obviously, it's not literally this many, but you can see why they call it a super saw!
WOW! That is a supersaw!! I will try this out today.

Once I've used all the timbres is it possible to stick an LFO over the whole lot? So when I mess with the LFO settings it changes the settings for all timbres causing it to sound like it's wobbling?

tpantano · Post by **tpantano** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:57 pm

JamesJeffery wrote:
that really cool guy wrote:
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First, you have number 1 oscillator, which is unisoned so its like 2 oscillators. You then add in your 2nd oscillator and sub oscillator, making it like 4. Then, you unison the whole thing with 4 voices- it becomes 16 saw waves! Then, you use the chorus effect, lets say it multiplies the sound by 4, you now have 64 saw waves! But wait, you have four timbres, multiply by four again, that's 256 saw waves! But wait, you used a master chorus effect. 256 * 4 = 1024 saw waves! Obviously, it's not literally this many, but you can see why they call it a super saw!
WOW! That is a supersaw!! I will try this out today.

Once I've used all the timbres is it possible to stick an LFO over the whole lot? So when I mess with the LFO settings it changes the settings for all timbres causing it to sound like it's wobbling?

LFOs are on a timbre per timbre basis, there's no master LFO (at least on my R3 and I'm pretty sure not on the Radias), so you'd have to do LFO motion individually or do it before you duplicate.

However, adding in wobbling of volume pitch etc. will go for some really messed up sounds, especially with all the saws up there

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:42 pm

However if you use a stereo Filter effect on the master you can set that up to have an internal LFO, which you can probably modulate the speed of using the Knobs.

Also, you could easily set up the LFO as the same on all your timbres, and route the mod wheel or something else to change the LFO rate or the depth of a certain or number of virtual patch slots that use the LFO as a source, which would give you the illusion of a single LFO changing at one time, but in fact is just an LFO with the same settings on each timbre.

Allegory · Post by **Allegory** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:18 am

tpantano wrote:I was going say this too, though I don't remember the 80s.
modern music in an 80s style is more like La Roux, this is 80s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUsbpmQ9-mc

La Roux doesn't really hit the mark. They are a weak corporate version of Ladytron. La Roux even seemed to borrow a lot from Ladytron's video for Runaway. Here is some Ladytron:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHMynl9QX7g

And for some genuine early-80's music in order to compare and contrast with Ladytron. You almost can't tell which is modern and which is from the 80's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPudE8nDog0

And one more full of 80's analogue synth goodness:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cznha2YTTh0

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:15 am

laikenf · Post by **laikenf** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:50 pm

Here are some nice 80's analog waveforms:

Severed Heads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLIi_ZMBfQs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkTO-dbUlK8

The Cabs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gllp8gvwSI8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkfzXq0t ... re=related

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