kpr0 questi0n

k0va5 · Post by **k0va5** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:45 am

ok.. so i record the Ioop i have pIaying on my kpro to my KP3

i stop the pIayback on the KPro, then start the same Ioop...

the two Ioops.. (the one on the kPro and the one the Kp3.. are now out of sync

whats the about? its driving me banzai

mindgames · Post by **mindgames** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:21 am

Did you mean: Loop

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:28 am

My guess would be that the KP3 loop is not exactly the same length as the KPro one, possibly due to when you started and stopped the recording?
Though I don't know. I'm not familiar with the KP3. I'm guessing they're not sync'd by MIDI. Though I seem to remember that being an issue with both units...

k0va5 · Post by **k0va5** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:38 am

Mr36 wrote:My guess would be that the KP3 loop is not exactly the same length as the KPro one, possibly due to when you started and stopped the recording?
Though I don't know. I'm not familiar with the KP3. I'm guessing they're not sync'd by MIDI. Though I seem to remember that being an issue with both units...

they sh0uId be the same Iength.. same temp0.. 16 beats :-S

Randy|Kaoss · Post by **Randy|Kaoss** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:13 pm

Probably due to you not starting the record on the KP3 on exactly beat 1. You can shift the start point of the KP3 loop by holding shift and then pressing the appropriate sample bank. "0.0" will appear on the LED display and you can use the prog select dial to make adjustments to the start point of the loop.

I often have to adjust the loops when recording from my KO1, especially at high tempos.

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:46 pm

Like Randy|Kaoss explained better than I did, there's 16 beats and there's 16 beats. This is the slight downside of looping using beats instead of seconds and milliseconds. Though easier and much much more usable and playable, you don't always get the precision that's required.

k0va5 · Post by **k0va5** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:35 pm

Randy|Kaoss wrote:Probably due to you not starting the record on the KP3 on exactly beat 1. You can shift the start point of the KP3 loop by holding shift and then pressing the appropriate sample bank. "0.0" will appear on the LED display and you can use the prog select dial to make adjustments to the start point of the loop.

I often have to adjust the loops when recording from my KO1, especially at high tempos.

yeah.. i get that.. but whats puzzIing me is that the KPR0 I00ps c0ntinu0usIy .. as d0es the Kp3.. but it seems they g0 0ut 0f sync..

i guess a w0rkar0und is t0 change the pIayback type 0n the kp3 t0 type 3 (retrigger m0de)

stiII.. thats a bit s**t n0?

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:43 pm

It's exactly that they do loop continuously that they go out of sync IF they differ in lenth at all. Even if it's only .001 of a millisecond, they would eventually drift out of sync.
Although I doubt this is the reason. I read somewhere, I think, that someone was saying the KP3 will drift ever so slightly because its tempo is not as stable as it should bem (for example 120 bpm could actually be 120.5 or 119.7 even though it says 120). I don't know how true this is though.

k0va5 · Post by **k0va5** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:46 pm

Mr36 wrote:It's exactly that they do loop continuously that they go out of sync IF they differ in lenth at all. Even if it's only .001 of a millisecond, they would eventually drift out of sync.
Although I doubt this is the reason. I read somewhere, I think, that someone was saying the KP3 will drift ever so slightly because its tempo is not as stable as it should bem (for example 120 bpm could actually be 120.5 or 119.7 even though it says 120). I don't know how true this is though.

either way. its s**t and hard t0 w0rk with

JJP · Post by **JJP** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:52 pm

k0va5 wrote:
either way. its s**t and hard t0 w0rk with

harder than your keyboard? ^^

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:59 pm

You have my condolences. Concerning the KP3 sync issue and the keyboard issue.

k0va5 · Post by **k0va5** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:33 pm

JJP wrote:
k0va5 wrote:
either way. its s**t and hard t0 w0rk with
harder than your keyboard? ^^

d0nt get me started 0n the keyb0ard

Randy|Kaoss · Post by **Randy|Kaoss** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:40 pm

k0va5 wrote:
Randy|Kaoss wrote:Probably due to you not starting the record on the KP3 on exactly beat 1. You can shift the start point of the KP3 loop by holding shift and then pressing the appropriate sample bank. "0.0" will appear on the LED display and you can use the prog select dial to make adjustments to the start point of the loop.

I often have to adjust the loops when recording from my KO1, especially at high tempos.
yeah.. i get that.. but whats puzzIing me is that the KPR0 I00ps c0ntinu0usIy .. as d0es the Kp3.. but it seems they g0 0ut 0f sync..

i guess a w0rkar0und is t0 change the pIayback type 0n the kp3 t0 type 3 (retrigger m0de)

stiII.. thats a bit s**t n0?

Just to confirm. When the KP3 finishes recording, it starts to playback the recorded sample - that should definitely *always* stay in sync with the loop being played on your KPro. Do the samples drift? If so, that's messed up! I haven't tested this with my KO1 (I just stop the KO1 loop as soon as the KP3 has finished sampling). I will test it tonight though when I get home.

darthballs · Post by **darthballs** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:54 pm

Wow well this is an interesting and unexpected development... hopefully we can get some more people with both units to test this thoroughly.

The issue with the KP3 was that yes, it would slowly drift out of sync (my guess is due to a slightly-off internal clock) with other tempo-set gear. For example, if you set a metronome to 120.0 bpm, and record and play a 120.0 bpm loop on your kp3, after a few minutes you'll notice the two are out of sync.

I -assumed- that since the KOPro is using what looks like the same hardware, that this issue would also be found on it. Now this isn't necessarily a bad thing, because that would mean the KOPro would at least stay in sync with a KP3, since there would be many Korg users that do have both units.

If the OP is right, though, that could mean Korg fixed the inherent problem when they released the KOPro. If this was the case, the KOPro would stay in sync with other tempo sensitive gear (in my case a drum machine). BUT that would also mean until Korg introduces the same fix to the KP3, that the KOPro and the KP3 will not be able to stay in sync. Very interesting situation.

Again this is all speculation on my part, because I had to return my KP3 due to this issue, and I never bought the KOPro because I assumed the same issue would pop up -- although now I would have to look into buying a KOPro if the situation is fixed.

k0va5 · Post by **k0va5** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:03 pm

Randy|Kaoss wrote:
k0va5 wrote:
Randy|Kaoss wrote:Probably due to you not starting the record on the KP3 on exactly beat 1. You can shift the start point of the KP3 loop by holding shift and then pressing the appropriate sample bank. "0.0" will appear on the LED display and you can use the prog select dial to make adjustments to the start point of the loop.

I often have to adjust the loops when recording from my KO1, especially at high tempos.
yeah.. i get that.. but whats puzzIing me is that the KPR0 I00ps c0ntinu0usIy .. as d0es the Kp3.. but it seems they g0 0ut 0f sync..

i guess a w0rkar0und is t0 change the pIayback type 0n the kp3 t0 type 3 (retrigger m0de)

stiII.. thats a bit s**t n0?
Just to confirm. When the KP3 finishes recording, it starts to playback the recorded sample - that should definitely *always* stay in sync with the loop being played on your KPro. Do the samples drift? If so, that's messed up! I haven't tested this with my KO1 (I just stop the KO1 loop as soon as the KP3 has finished sampling). I will test it tonight though when I get home.

it immediateIy phases...which is inevitabIe.. i guess..

BUT

If i turn 0ff the I00p 0n 0n the Kpr0.. then restart it.. its 0ut 0f sync... which is pants because I th0ught the KPr0 I00ped c0ntinu0usIy same as theKP3