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It was Oct 10, 2008
I can not find pace. I can not find my place. Should I keep on doing this? Is it worth anything? What are your sources of passion? I am stuck.
Will you help me?
What do you do in such situations?
Criticism is welcome.
please comment on this
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If you're asking whether this groove is worth pursuing further, that is a question only you can decide. But here's some suggestions....
1. Write a melody – have different sounds play that melody in unison
or in harmony - add countermelodies
2. add some drum fills / add percussion parts at different times for additional rhythmic movement
3. change the sounds or textures at different times for contrast
4. study voice leading in music theory on how to make the bass part
livelier. Listen to real bass players and study what they do
5. Study and listen to a lot of music of different styles and genres
HTH - Schweats
1. Write a melody – have different sounds play that melody in unison
or in harmony - add countermelodies
2. add some drum fills / add percussion parts at different times for additional rhythmic movement
3. change the sounds or textures at different times for contrast
4. study voice leading in music theory on how to make the bass part
livelier. Listen to real bass players and study what they do
5. Study and listen to a lot of music of different styles and genres
HTH - Schweats
Thank you SCHWEATS. Your "tips" are interesting.
Dear Charlie my problem is mainly related to my mood. I do have tough time in my life.
I was looking for both, critics on my "song" and comments on your way to find inspiration and motivation.
Most probably my problem is lack of focus.
We live in extremely interesting era. On the other hand sometime it is difficult to face avalanche of information.
Those who are able to find passion and focus are lucky.
Dear Charlie my problem is mainly related to my mood. I do have tough time in my life.
I was looking for both, critics on my "song" and comments on your way to find inspiration and motivation.
Most probably my problem is lack of focus.
We live in extremely interesting era. On the other hand sometime it is difficult to face avalanche of information.
Those who are able to find passion and focus are lucky.
Ok, than you'll get both!
Song Critics:
I like the prominent solo-sound and the way you play it. I like the chord progression. I don't like the emptiness in the e-piano-part: there's no melody carrying the song (but that's a matter of taste - some people like lounge-like music with little or no melody). The drums sound "Korg-ish" to me. There are ways to program first-class-sounding drums on the Oasys, but I found that quite difficult. One of the original Oasys-demo-songs (the "love-song") demonstrates that very well. But they layered several drum-programs to achieve that. Nowadays I prefer RMX-Stylus to do the job - sounds great and is easy to use. But you'll miss Karma then ...
Overall I'd continue working on this song - it's worth it. Perhaps not an "earth-shattering-tune", but one good enough for going on.
Motivation Tip:
It was already written here: Basically there's just one possibility to "motivate" yourself (or someone else): find a goal that inspires you and brings out the best of you. No goal = no motivation. It's a very personal thing, which goal fits a person. You can start searching for them by thinking about what you enjoy doing, what you would "die for", what would be a dream etc. This can give you several hints in which direction to look and then you can narrow it down.
There are many other ways to find motivating goals and there are tons of books out there dealing with goals and motivation. One of the best IMHO is "The 7 habits of highly effective people" - it covers the whole story in an easy to understand way and can help you improving in many areas of your life.
Hope this was of some help ...
Song Critics:
I like the prominent solo-sound and the way you play it. I like the chord progression. I don't like the emptiness in the e-piano-part: there's no melody carrying the song (but that's a matter of taste - some people like lounge-like music with little or no melody). The drums sound "Korg-ish" to me. There are ways to program first-class-sounding drums on the Oasys, but I found that quite difficult. One of the original Oasys-demo-songs (the "love-song") demonstrates that very well. But they layered several drum-programs to achieve that. Nowadays I prefer RMX-Stylus to do the job - sounds great and is easy to use. But you'll miss Karma then ...
Overall I'd continue working on this song - it's worth it. Perhaps not an "earth-shattering-tune", but one good enough for going on.
Motivation Tip:
It was already written here: Basically there's just one possibility to "motivate" yourself (or someone else): find a goal that inspires you and brings out the best of you. No goal = no motivation. It's a very personal thing, which goal fits a person. You can start searching for them by thinking about what you enjoy doing, what you would "die for", what would be a dream etc. This can give you several hints in which direction to look and then you can narrow it down.
There are many other ways to find motivating goals and there are tons of books out there dealing with goals and motivation. One of the best IMHO is "The 7 habits of highly effective people" - it covers the whole story in an easy to understand way and can help you improving in many areas of your life.
Hope this was of some help ...
-
ozy
well, tuxedo, you know...
the two problems are one same problem.
"Melody" means a sequence of notes, each of them leading to the following, and all of them leading to an end, with a logic, a purpose, a structure, with way of creating expectations and fulfilments, not just a floating aggregate of non-conflicting notes...
... repeating patterns, which never really repeat themselves in the same manner (one famous definition of "neurosis" is: "doing always the same thing, and always expecting different results")...
... repetitions which are in fact steps to something different.
Melody means "meaning". "Going somewhere".
I understand that most contemprary music (like most contemprary writing) despises plot, melody, sense, purpose, meaning.
But that leaves people unsatisfied (and boy, do you sound unsatisfied!, and your polished music almost bored me unconscious).
Both you and your song seem stuck in a comfortable "going nowhere, making no sense (but in a somehow acceptable way" situation.
If I may, and since you requested, I'd suggest:
1) turn 90% of Oasys features off. Lay out a simple groove (you write it: don't pick one from the oasys library), write a couple of patches (start from scratch)
then work on chords and melody.
Spend one month on a song, writing it from scratch, sounds and all.
It will sound horrible at first.
Find a purpose, taste the effort.
Don't let an external force (oasys' technology) support you, or you'll find uncapable of supporting yourself.
2) play other people's music. Difficult music.
make the effort of learning difficult chords and fingering.
This will lead you to melodies that don't use the same old keys you always end up touching by inertia.
3) take a piece of paper and write music.
4) shut the synth down for a week and THINK about sounds you'd like to hear.
Listen to other synths, go to a shop and browse for completely different instruments (a analog vintage synth, a guitar), phantasyze about buying a hammond or an acoustic piano or a modular doepfer, plan it, think of the money...
... the more expensive and unaffordable they are, the better...
... then after 10 days go back to your oasys and try to find there what you loved in those other instruments.
Don't let go until you get the oasys sound like the fender piano you almost bought.
Go deep, open the manual, discover all features needed.
In the end, each time you approach the synth, it will be NEW.
5) get a life. Run in the woods, play catch, have fun with girls, engage in a community or a dog, then after a month tell them that you can play,
and sit down trying to play something that THEY will like, and that will make you understood by your new friends or woman or pet.
Breath life into your music.
It sounds like something which came from OTHER music, not from life.
This is why you don't love it.
It's good, but it's not alive.
the two problems are one same problem.
"Melody" means a sequence of notes, each of them leading to the following, and all of them leading to an end, with a logic, a purpose, a structure, with way of creating expectations and fulfilments, not just a floating aggregate of non-conflicting notes...
... repeating patterns, which never really repeat themselves in the same manner (one famous definition of "neurosis" is: "doing always the same thing, and always expecting different results")...
... repetitions which are in fact steps to something different.
Melody means "meaning". "Going somewhere".
I understand that most contemprary music (like most contemprary writing) despises plot, melody, sense, purpose, meaning.
But that leaves people unsatisfied (and boy, do you sound unsatisfied!, and your polished music almost bored me unconscious).
Both you and your song seem stuck in a comfortable "going nowhere, making no sense (but in a somehow acceptable way" situation.
If I may, and since you requested, I'd suggest:
1) turn 90% of Oasys features off. Lay out a simple groove (you write it: don't pick one from the oasys library), write a couple of patches (start from scratch)
then work on chords and melody.
Spend one month on a song, writing it from scratch, sounds and all.
It will sound horrible at first.
Find a purpose, taste the effort.
Don't let an external force (oasys' technology) support you, or you'll find uncapable of supporting yourself.
2) play other people's music. Difficult music.
make the effort of learning difficult chords and fingering.
This will lead you to melodies that don't use the same old keys you always end up touching by inertia.
3) take a piece of paper and write music.
4) shut the synth down for a week and THINK about sounds you'd like to hear.
Listen to other synths, go to a shop and browse for completely different instruments (a analog vintage synth, a guitar), phantasyze about buying a hammond or an acoustic piano or a modular doepfer, plan it, think of the money...
... the more expensive and unaffordable they are, the better...
... then after 10 days go back to your oasys and try to find there what you loved in those other instruments.
Don't let go until you get the oasys sound like the fender piano you almost bought.
Go deep, open the manual, discover all features needed.
In the end, each time you approach the synth, it will be NEW.
5) get a life. Run in the woods, play catch, have fun with girls, engage in a community or a dog, then after a month tell them that you can play,
and sit down trying to play something that THEY will like, and that will make you understood by your new friends or woman or pet.
Breath life into your music.
It sounds like something which came from OTHER music, not from life.
This is why you don't love it.
It's good, but it's not alive.