Help to saving from m50 to PC

bakersxdozen · Post by **bakersxdozen** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:47 am

Hey guys, been lurking the forum for the past week, I just bought an m50 last week and i LOVE it so far.

Unfortunately, I bought it used from guitar center and it didn't come with any of the manuals, so I've been watching tutorials on youtube and downloading the stuff Korg has on their site, but for some reason the owners manual cuts off after page 120.

Anyway, I just finished my first song and I'm having a really really hard time understanding how I'm supposed to get that into listenable format for my computer (.wav or .mp3)

Do I need the karma software? Is it supposed to come with the m50?
I'm also not sure I'm saving the .seq right because the song track (.sng is only 120kb which seems really small to me.

I saved the data to an SD card, but I also have a midi cable so I was wondering if it would be possible to just transfer it with the midi?

I have the m50 editor installed as well, and thats not helping a bit.

PLEASE if you can shed some light on the situation help me out, I really dont wanna suffer a power failure and lose all this hard work.

Thanks alot

jacke · Post by **jacke** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:42 am

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=49462

Synthoid · Post by **Synthoid** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:50 pm

bakersxdozen wrote:Unfortunately, I bought it used from guitar center and it didn't come with any of the manuals, so I've been watching tutorials on youtube and downloading the stuff Korg has on their site, but for some reason the owners manual cuts off after page 120.

Shame on Guitar Center--no excuse for a manual to be missing from a used keyboard that new!

Did you download all the manuals from Korg, including the Easy Start Guide and the Parameter Guide?

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:39 pm

bakersxdozen wrote:
I'm also not sure I'm saving the .seq right because the song track (.sng is only 120kb which seems really small to me.

I saved the data to an SD card, but I also have a midi cable so I was wondering if it would be possible to just transfer it with the midi?

The .SNG file contains mainly MIDI data, which is in no way an audio recording. Notice how it is called a 'sequencer' and not a 'recorder', for example.

A MIDI connection will transmit data on which notes you press, how hard you hit them, what controllers you move/change, tempo timing data, but no sound. Traditionally, MIDI is used to record a performance so that you can add/remove/adjust notes and correct mistakes before recording an audio track. MIDI is also used to tempo sync and control one sound module or keyboard from another keyboard. Or many sound modules from a controller, for example.

The .SNG file additionally contains all of your effects routing setup, which programs are on which tracks, their mix settings, drum track, arp and track parameters. Basically everything that is in a combi, plus RPPR, and recorded MIDI data.

So when you play back your song on the M50, it is not playing back a recording of what you played, it is playing back the raw controller data from the notes you hit etc and the synth sound engine is recreating the sound all over again. a very different thing, athough it appears similar. It does mean you can edit things in track edit, overdub, remove notes, change instrument for a track, etc. and for example if you edited one of the programs that are used in your sequence, the sound of your sequence would change.

so, that is why the .SNG is so small, and why a MIDI connection won't help you - you still need the M50 to produce the M50's sounds. so if you recorded a MIDI file and gave that to someone else, it either wouldn't work at all, or would sound completely different on the built in MIDI synth in windows for example.

Hope that makes some things a bit clearer.
so if you've saved a SNG. then that will contain all your sequenced data. you don't need to worry about powering off.

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:59 pm

Synthoid wrote:Shame on Guitar Center--no excuse for a manual to be missing from a used keyboard that new!

The M50 doesn't ship with the manual new. It's *only* available in PDF format. There've been a few threads of people discussing and complaining about that in the past.

Synthoid · Post by **Synthoid** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:06 pm

kanthos wrote:The M50 doesn't ship with the manual new. It's *only* available in PDF format. There've been a few threads of people discussing and complaining about that in the past.

Is there at least a CD in the box with the PDF file?

taxbuster1040 · Post by **taxbuster1040** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:32 pm

I bought Karma software and i love it... It turns your M50 into an M3 in many ways. I like the additional chord buttons it gives you, along with the M3 database of sounds. It adds a dimension of arpeggios that you can get with the m50 out of the box... i say Go for it!

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