How to get some dubstep

jimmyc5407 · Post by **jimmyc5407** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:43 am

hey guys could you tell me the steps to go about make a dub step synth part ive been trying but the speed sound no good

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:54 am

On YouTube, look up the videos about how to make a dubstep wobble bass in a softsynth like Massive. That will show you what needs to be done to the signal - even though you'll obviously be doing it differently on the EMX, you first need to have an idea of how the patch is made in general before applying it to any particular synth. The key to the dub step wobble bass is to start with a Dual OSC with Saw+Square, then modify the LPF filter with a signficant amount of resonance so that when you change the center point from low to high you get the WWWuuuhhhh sound. Now you need to use the modulation section to make a triangle wave LFO change the LPF filter CUTOFF automatically, and in time with the beat using the BPM sync. The rest is just fine tuning of the LPF filter cutoff point and resonance to get the sound exactly right, then change the speed of the LFO while keeping it in BPM sync, from quarter through 16th notes, for example.

Ruso · Post by **Ruso** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:10 pm

How about trying to be original instead of trying to fit in? Figure out your own way to make dubstep and you will be a lot more respected by the music community.

reddone · Post by **reddone** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:47 am

dont know what your using to make sounds ... but the Emx1 is NOT very good at dubstep basslines , because it lacks the sine wave on the modulation/lfo section .

sine Lfo is the key .... and also you need to sample a length of the modulated bass "WOBBLE" so that you can re-trigger it perfectly each time .

Other things are .. making various wobbles and warp stabs , and hav them make phrases by dropping them in at various points .

i use reason to make my bassline/4x4 & dubstep .. and normally hav at least 3 bass sounds and 8-16 patterns to drop whenevr .

Think " call & response" while making patterns and you'll work it out .

ive been a dubstep fan since before it was named dubstep ( people called it nu-dark-swing at the time in 2000 ) , but i preffer the 4x4 variant these days . the tunes charge me right up !!

If you use emx1 you will need to sample from it to get dubstep happening .. keep that in mind or your dubstep will fall short of the mark .. speaking from experiance lol

jimmyc5407 · Post by **jimmyc5407** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:28 am

hey i was just trying to get the basic synth part i'll mess around with it so i can make it original but i just dont really have an understanding on the modulation so im just learning but mmmmmm your kinda mean no good

Ruso · Post by **Ruso** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:08 am

Well that's cool man, I didn't mean to be. What I'm saying is... do your own thing on the machines... and later on if you feel the need to fit into a genre then you'll know the machine enough to be able to make the sound.

You'll be better off being original in the long run.

WeAreTheFuture · Post by **WeAreTheFuture** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:20 pm

i think the emx is good for dubstep. search for SHRIKE DUBSTEP on youtube. 100% emx minus a bit of multilayering. just play with the modulation section

and bpm sync it for the love of god

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:59 am

The triangle LFO works fine for the wobble bass. The key is using saw+square or a unison 3 saw detuned, to get a full sounding bass wave for the filter to use. The filter should be a LP with the cutoff and resonance tweaked just right to get the wobble, with the LFO set to modulate the cutoff with the depth around the 2'oclock (+40) position. The filter EG int should be around the 10'oclock (-40) position. Glide should be about 18. Then buy a couple grand worth of subwoofers and you're good to go.

reddone · Post by **reddone** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:51 pm

nah .. EMX1 doesnt offer the fresh sound of dubstep IMAO .

Its ok .. but it doesnt re-trigger the lfo pattern every time the key is played .
If sampled and layered its possible to get dubstep happening ... but the synth sounds dont cut it among the fresh dubstep sound .

I go to alot of dubstep/4x4/bassline nights , the mx doesnt have a deep enough sound to make the modern dubstep sound .
The synth sounds CAN be used within dubstep .. just more of an additive . Ti-wave lfo doesnt give the mx the REAL wobble .

i know the emx IS used in dubstep for the shredded sounds here & there ... but very rarely compared with software .

ALSO .. too many funny clips & distortions on the very lowest end of the mx tone .. problematic in getting things skanking .

I love the mx , but its not great at dubtep thats all .... Logic+reason , recording mx tones into computer and lfo-ing that way would be a better idea

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:30 pm

reddone wrote:nah .. EMX1 doesnt offer the fresh sound of dubstep IMAO .

Its ok .. but it doesnt re-trigger the lfo pattern every time the key is played .
If sampled and layered its possible to get dubstep happening ... but the synth sounds dont cut it among the fresh dubstep sound .

I go to alot of dubstep/4x4/bassline nights , the mx doesnt have a deep enough sound to make the modern dubstep sound .
The synth sounds CAN be used within dubstep .. just more of an additive . Ti-wave lfo doesnt give the mx the REAL wobble .

i know the emx IS used in dubstep for the shredded sounds here & there ... but very rarely compared with software .

ALSO .. too many funny clips & distortions on the very lowest end of the mx tone .. problematic in getting things skanking .

I love the mx , but its not great at dubtep thats all .... Logic+reason , recording mx tones into computer and lfo-ing that way would be a better idea

I can get a great wobble bass out of my EMX. The EMX can pull strong well below subsonic, far below what any subs can efficiently produce, including the best proaudio folded horn tuned cabs. You can control the wobble too, but not using only the LFO, since you need a negative filter EG int to get the signal to start on the LFO rise. I don't want the LFO to be retriggered when I hit the key - because I want it to maintain BPM sync like it's supposed to. I hit the key then I hear it exactly where I've placed it to come in with the EG int on the beat.

The triangle works just fine for the LFO - it doesn't matter whether there's a peak or not compared to a sine - since it's adjusting the cutoff on a filter that has a rather wide Q, and the wobble is done usually at quarter note or faster, so it's at a peak far too quickly to hear any difference, in my experience.

Maybe you could describe in detail how you've setup the part so that we can discuss how to dial it in? I'm always up for discussing patches, if you want. I frequently spend hours upon hours tweaking a single patch to explore all the possibilities. For my dubstep, I spent at least 4 hours on my EMX wobble bass, probably more, and I've already built similar patches on 10 or so different synths.

plosive · Post by **plosive** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:22 am

The triangle works just fine for the LFO - it doesn't matter whether there's a peak or not compared to a sine - since it's adjusting the cutoff on a filter that has a rather wide Q, and the wobble is done usually at quarter note or faster, so it's at a peak far too quickly to hear any difference, in my experience.

this is also the exact reason why alot of synth designs often offer a tri instead of sine (if not both) on LFOs, because with depth and env mod you can adjust it to practically no difference in results for modulation purposes.. while at the same time giving you the possibility to use a higher and faster peak that a sine does not provide.

reddone · Post by **reddone** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:25 pm

Rather than talk about dubstep , i'd rather demonstrate by upload . To be totally honest guys , ive spent 7 years taking my mx into every style from garage , 2-step , d&b , grime , tekno , acid .. and more .

I play at dubtstep / 4x4 / breaks night in town and
ive been making 4x4 & dubstep for years on other sytems as well as the mx ... and SINE LFO IS ESSENTIAL !! no doubt about it .

triangle wave just doesnt have that whippy / wobble heard in the best dubstep . LFO retriggering is what dubsteps main pull comes from .

having 4 potentially different synth sounds all chopping and changing into different time synced Lfo patterns .

The mx doesnt offer that OR a deep "dub" sound .
For better mx dubstep , using the synth to sample from is FAAAAR more effective .

As an example i'll load up a tune done on mx standalone , then load up a REASON tune using the same synth parts , to explain how essential sine & re-tiggered lfo's are . Anyone who knows good dubtstep or UK 4x4 knows that the same principals from jungle / d&b are carried forward ..... SAMPLING IS THE KEY !! forget tri "wobbles" they are OK , but bland with no "zip" about them . Personal choice maybe tho

But ... you'll never get a real " bubble-bass" from tri LFO . fast shreds on TRI are good i suppose , but still they are better sampled an re-triggered.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:32 pm

reddone wrote:Rather than talk about dubstep , i'd rather demonstrate by upload . To be totally honest guys , ive spent 7 years taking my mx into every style from garage , 2-step , d&b , grime , tekno , acid .. and more .

I play at dubtstep / 4x4 / breaks night in town and
ive been making 4x4 & dubstep for years on other sytems as well as the mx ... and SINE LFO IS ESSENTIAL !! no doubt about it .

triangle wave just doesnt have that whippy / wobble heard in the best dubstep . LFO retriggering is what dubsteps main pull comes from .

having 4 potentially different synth sounds all chopping and changing into different time synced Lfo patterns .

The mx doesnt offer that OR a deep "dub" sound .
For better mx dubstep , using the synth to sample from is FAAAAR more effective .

As an example i'll load up a tune done on mx standalone , then load up a REASON tune using the same synth parts , to explain how essential sine & re-tiggered lfo's are . Anyone who knows good dubtstep or UK 4x4 knows that the same principals from jungle / d&b are carried forward ..... SAMPLING IS THE KEY !! forget tri "wobbles" they are OK , but bland with no "zip" about them . Personal choice maybe tho

But ... you'll never get a real " bubble-bass" from tri LFO . fast shreds on TRI are good i suppose , but still they are better sampled an re-triggered.

If you upload a sample containing only the wobble bass track, I'll upload a sample to match it. The only thing I'll ask is if you use a complex trigger pattern, that you upload the midi to accompany the track. It would help if you could also give a basic description of the OSC mix you use to save me time to match what you're using. I may slip in some samples done by another synth, just to keep the listeners honest to see if they can "really" tell which are from the EMX or not. Just saying they "all suck" will have no validity if you can't pick out the non-EMX samples. I'll even accept patches submitted for Massive, Absynth, FM8, R3, X-Station, Z1, or for Triton, Fantom series workstations.

reddone · Post by **reddone** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:27 pm

cool ... a new project LOL !!

Actually mate , why dont we both jusrt make a dubstep tune ( or 4x4 b-line tune ) and then upload the tune and also a folder containing parts and wordpad file containing descriptions of whats being done within the track/tracks ?

i use saw and sine lfo & tri too for wobble .. even square . But the sine one is usually the thick wobble that bubbles from the center of the mix , and everything else wobbles around it .

gimme a day or two to do both versions of the tune and upload bits for people to use too .

i want to be able to give clear knowledge of doing things both standalone & also using mx samples together with Reason drums and other stuff .

Uploading a sounds is ok ... but it doesnt help people understand how to put the sounds together in a usable way in their system .

i just think using mx samples thru computer lfo's has a greater flexabilty rather than the restrictions of standalone mx usage .

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:59 pm

If you post everything that's needed for the whole track, then I'll use whatever it contains, so long as I don't have to spend a lot of time rebuilding the song. I also don't view this as a "competition" to see who's "best" or anything like that, since my goal is to work _together_ to learn, explore, and improve anyone who participates.

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