Merging Sample Libraries

[Dr. Who]

First of All let me start by stating that I am a OASYS noob,

I luv this board and it's been a real workhorse in the last year. The only complaint I have is the limited sample RAM of 2megs. I've purchased some wonderful sounds from Karo and also OASYS Assault. The issue is that if you want to use EXs-1 or anything else you often cannot due to sample RAM being full. I'm sure there is a way... but is there a previous post or spot in the manual that explains how you can merge sample libraries? Basically if you make a list of all the (EXs1-2 and non-factory) programs you like, can you quickly find out what samples they are tied to and then merge sample libraries from the EXs's, and say Karo and Oasys Assault. I'm sure this can be done, but I'm not sure what step are needed. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

RY

[Dr. Who]

And of course I meant 2GB not 2MB of RAM Sorry for the type-O

[Sharp]

So many problems would be solved if KORG added sample streaming. Even if it meant using an external HDD people would prefer that than having to load everything to RAM.

While I know you can merge libraries together and I'll tell you how to do that, I still think it's a hopeless dream to be honest. You cannot customises KORG's EXs libraries at all. It's load everything, or load nothing.

For third party libraries like my own OASYS ASSAULT or KARO libraries, OK, you can customise those and load only what you need from them, but how much can you sacrifice from each library. OASYS ASSAULT alone uses all 1.5GB because it contains thousands of samples.

Anyway.... if you want to merge third party libraries the best way to do that is..... Load the sample data from something like OASYS ASSAULT into memory. Then in disk mode using the OPEN option, open the PCG file and drill into the file until you see the individual sounds.

If you now select one and play the keys, it will actually work perfectly because you have all the sample data in RAM. So from where you are now, only load the sounds individually to memory that you will use. When your done, save the bank you loaded to memory back to disk and to the same directory where you have OASYS ASSAUL. But name the file “CUSTOM”.

Now go to the Sampling mode and from the drop down menu select Delete MS. And then tick the two boxes and press ok to erase all the sample data from memory.

Now load the sample data from your KARO library and repeats all the steps above saving your new PCG file back to the KARO folder on your OASYS.

Once you have done this will all your sample libraries and your ready to merge them together, erase the memory of the Sampler by pressing Delete MS and ticking the two boxes again.

Now go to disk mode and select the CUSTOM PCG file for OASYS ASSAULT.

Touch the tab in the top right of the screen and select “Load PCG(RAM) and Samples”

This will tell the OASYS to load only the samples needed to get all the sounds in your CUSTOM bank to work.

Next select your KARO library and do the exact same making sure the append feature is turned on. This will add the KARO sounds onto the back of OASYS ASSAULT.

And so on.....

Sounds simple enough, but you really need to keep an eye on how much memory your using after loading each sample library in this way. OASYS ASSAULT for example contains a few thousand samples, so depending on how many sounds you like from that collection, you still might not have much memory left after loading your favourites.

Regards.
Sharp.

[Dr. Who]

Sharp,

Many thanks for the quick response and the great set of sounds in Assault BTW... I figured it would be a bit involved to merge libraries and I was correct. I'm definitely with you on the streaming RAM. I think this along with bank space is the biggest flaw when designing this open architecture system. Trust banks are pretty standard but with an open system it makes sense that you will gather a ton of programs at some point. As for the RAM issue... with Exs-1 and 2 installed I think you only have about 1GB of RAM left for samples. That will make it awfully tough to pick and choose from the many great 3rd party sounds; not to mention if you have tried to use your own samples and create new programs. Plus we all wnat updates, so how about if Kog gives us another synth engine update and now we lose more RAM??? Seems like this should be a priority... Adding it to the wishlist!

[Daz]

Hi Guys,

I don't think the motherboard in the Oasys will accept any more RAM, so we're rather stuck there

Korg did some good stuff in recent times by implementing a lossless compression scheme for some of the sample data, so that freed up some space. Outside of those kinds of developments I don't think we'll see any further major changes to this aspect of the Oasys. We might see an update that includes auto boot loading of KSC files, but anything more funky than that will only come in a new product; a new product that leaves behind all the Trinity/Triton paradigms used in the Oasys, M3 and M50.

As for Program bank space, I hope that will be bumped in the Oasys rather than being something we have to wait for in a new product. I regularly wonder why on earth there are 3.5K combi slots stealing bank memory from Program space. Who could possibly ever need to have 3.5K combis available.

Daz.

[Dr. Who]

Hi Guys,

I don't think the motherboard in the Oasys will accept any more RAM, so we're rather stuck there

Daz.

Yep, I thought I'd read somewhere that the motherboard could only accept 2GB max. Couldn't Korg do somethign externally with a drive to give a streaming option? The people that want it buy the extra drive etc. and those that don't save their money. Seems like a tough spot to be in where we can't expand an expandable synth Hopefully there are options out there. I hear ya on the combi's. All that space could be put to better use... Maybe the next update will take care of that???

[X-Trade]

Hi Guys,

I don't think the motherboard in the Oasys will accept any more RAM, so we're rather stuck there

Daz.

Yep, I thought I'd read somewhere that the motherboard could only accept 2GB max. Couldn't Korg do somethign externally with a drive to give a streaming option? The people that want it buy the extra drive etc. and those that don't save their money. Seems like a tough spot to be in where we can't expand an expandable synth Hopefully there are options out there. I hear ya on the combi's. All that space could be put to better use... Maybe the next update will take care of that???

I thought I read somewhere that there are more PCI slots on the motherboard. these could be used to expand memory specific to samples if they were to develop a specific PCI card.

[mdh]

I thought I read somewhere that there are more PCI slots on the motherboard. these could be used to expand memory specific to samples if they were to develop a specific PCI card.

From memory there's one or two free (I think on the vertical riser) which would be cool with a PCI mount SSD. I'd hate another noisy magnetic hard drive in the chassis...

There's also tons of USB ports you could connect to external hard drives, as well as an ethernet port which could be used to connect to a NAS. Call me insane if you like but imagine a synth engine like MOD7 except all it does is run VSTs. Which you can store on your NAS, under the stage or wherever, with a neat little cable running down to it...

[lcmorley]

Hi Guys,

I don't think the motherboard in the Oasys will accept any more RAM, so we're rather stuck there

Daz.

Yep, I thought I'd read somewhere that the motherboard could only accept 2GB max. Couldn't Korg do somethign externally with a drive to give a streaming option? The people that want it buy the extra drive etc. and those that don't save their money. Seems like a tough spot to be in where we can't expand an expandable synth Hopefully there are options out there. I hear ya on the combi's. All that space could be put to better use... Maybe the next update will take care of that???

I thought I read somewhere that there are more PCI slots on the motherboard. these could be used to expand memory specific to samples if they were to develop a specific PCI card.

On the subject of useless wastes of space. How about having an option to remove all of those bloody GM sounds. That would free up not only RAM, but also hundreds of program locations.

[kenackr]

IC,

If I remember correctly, there was either a poll or some type of thread not long ago regarding removal of the GM sounds. Seems to me that most of us were strongly in favor of that.

Ken

[Sharp]

IC,

If I remember correctly, there was either a poll or some type of thread not long ago regarding removal of the GM sounds. Seems to me that most of us were strongly in favor of that.

Ken

Yes, the favourite option was to have them available as a PCG file. Load them in if you wanted, don't if you don't.

Regards.
Sharp.

[Arend Groot]

Anyway.... if you want to merge third party libraries the best way to do that is..... Load the sample data from something like OASYS ASSAULT into memory. Then in disk mode using the OPEN option, open the PCG file and drill into the file until you see the individual sounds.

If you now select one and play the keys, it will actually work perfectly because you have all the sample data in RAM. So from where you are now, only load the sounds individually to memory that you will use. When your done, save the bank you loaded to memory back to disk and to the same directory where you have OASYS ASSAUL. But name the file “CUSTOM”.

Now go to the Sampling mode and from the drop down menu select Delete MS. And then tick the two boxes and press ok to erase all the sample data from memory.

Now load the sample data from your KARO library and repeats all the steps above saving your new PCG file back to the KARO folder on your OASYS.

Once you have done this will all your sample libraries and your ready to merge them together, erase the memory of the Sampler by pressing Delete MS and ticking the two boxes again.

Now go to disk mode and select the CUSTOM PCG file for OASYS ASSAULT.

Touch the tab in the top right of the screen and select “Load PCG(RAM) and Samples”

This will tell the OASYS to load only the samples needed to get all the sounds in your CUSTOM bank to work.

Next select your KARO library and do the exact same making sure the append feature is turned on. This will add the KARO sounds onto the back of OASYS ASSAULT.

Regards.
Sharp.

Hi Sharp, may be I am missing something but it doesn't seem to work... When I do as you wrote, first load the sample data and then load and saving only the progs I need, the multisamples won't load. A message occur: 'can't find path/file'

I think it is because the file name of the PCG, CUSTOM, is different then the original .KSC file. But maybe I am doing something wrong??

The way I merge libraries is by saving the multisamples in a new file together with the progs I need, take some time. And it takes more memory on disk. The advantage the way you described it is that you only save the samples once and is much faster to accomplish.