DNC sounds used in a midi sequence

worth · Post by **worth** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:50 am

Congratulations Assyrianpianist !! The one most important thing that is sadly lacking on this forum is people actually making music on their instruments !!! Anyone coming to this forum for the first time would believe that the forum was about making technical complaints about electronic equipment. dont get me wrong, there is a place for that but thank you for putting a little bit of perspective back into the forum . Its all about the music we make and you have demonstarted that most excellently !! Well done Sir !!!

pcguy · Post by **pcguy** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:46 pm

worth wrote:Congratulations Assyrianpianist !! The one most important thing that is sadly lacking on this forum is people actually making music on their instruments !!! Anyone coming to this forum for the first time would believe that the forum was about making technical complaints about electronic equipment. dont get me wrong, there is a place for that but thank you for putting a little bit of perspective back into the forum . Its all about the music we make and you have demonstarted that most excellently !! Well done Sir !!!

Worth, I agree with you. It's like manufacturing a perfect car that one would never drive! If all these tips and tricks and complaints don't show up in some sort of musical creation, we are wasting our time to have a great piece of furniture in the house. when all those elements come together to serve the purpose, then people realize why they had bought the instrument in the first place! Of course not all of us are pro musicians, but we all share the passion for music. I'm at a very modest level myself,but still get lots of enjoyment out of it. I'm glad people post their music from time to time, because it gives a human face to the forum.

karen · Post by **karen** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:53 pm

Sam, you said you did this from scratch. I listened to your video a couple of time. There's a lot going on in the background. If i were to do this, i wouldn't have a clue where to start. What are the first steps that you normally take to sequence a busy song like this?

musicaviat · Post by **musicaviat** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:47 pm

Sam taught me !

Get your USB midi cable... buy a sequencing program (pro tools, reason, etc) and start sequencing

pcguy · Post by **pcguy** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:03 pm

I had a question about volume and expression changes in midi sequencing. I've got myself into a mess i can't untangle. I finished a midi sequence in cubase, and now it's being played off of the flash drive. Some notes in various tracks are too loud or too low, when i want to adjust them, then every thing in those track gets boosted or silenced. I guess i misunderstood how to use expression and volume in projects like this.

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:18 pm

pcguy wrote:I had a question about volume and expression changes in midi sequencing. I've got myself into a mess i can't untangle. I finished a midi sequence in cubase, and now it's being played off of the flash drive. Some notes in various tracks are too loud or too low, when i want to adjust them, then every thing in those track gets boosted or silenced. I guess i misunderstood how to use expression and volume in projects like this.

I think i know what your problem is. For swells,crecs,decrecs...use expression only and leave the CC#7 alone. Once you have your file loaded, then apply CC#7 to make your mix sound better. That's the way to go.

Lika · Post by **Lika** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:49 pm

Hi my friend ...
A song that you play is - Music:Loreena McKennitt and sings Xaris Alexiou , song is named To tango tis nefelis (Greek)...
You can see here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF3zt_Gj3uk

About your playing - it is OK !!!

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:10 am

Lika wrote:Hi my friend ...
A song that you play is - Music:Loreena McKennitt and sings Xaris Alexiou , song is named To tango tis nefelis (Greek)...
You can see here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF3zt_Gj3uk

About your playing - it is OK !!!

I never said it was my original composition. In fact people asked and i CLEARLY said it was NOT. I've heard 20 versions of this song done by 20 diff. artists done in 20 diff. languages!!!! you're very late in discovering that!!!

TANIA · Post by **TANIA** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:07 am

Lika wrote:Hi my friend ...
A song that you play is - Music:Loreena McKennitt and sings Xaris Alexiou , song is named To tango tis nefelis (Greek)...
You can see here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF3zt_Gj3uk

About your playing - it is OK !!!

I watched both videos. The main melody is the same. well, it has to be , otherwise it's not the same song, right? Their arrangement sounds very different to my "beginner" ears. I've heard the German , French and spanish version of this song. Wake up "Lika". When you have time, let us see some of your own sequence work. Don't be shy!

pcguy · Post by **pcguy** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:22 am

Assyrianpianist wrote:
pcguy wrote:I had a question about volume and expression changes in midi sequencing. I've got myself into a mess i can't untangle. I finished a midi sequence in cubase, and now it's being played off of the flash drive. Some notes in various tracks are too loud or too low, when i want to adjust them, then every thing in those track gets boosted or silenced. I guess i misunderstood how to use expression and volume in projects like this.
I think i know what your problem is. For swells,crecs,decrecs...use expression only and leave the CC#7 alone. Once you have your file loaded, then apply CC#7 to make your mix sound better. That's the way to go.

I used both expression and volume in the sequencer, so probably that's why it's very hard to make further adjustments in PA800 in the seq. mode. I'll go back to the sequencer and clean up the volume information.

To "Lika":
I think you're confusing "song writing" with "arrangement". I agree with Tania. These 2 links point out the same song, but the midi sequence of the first link is not based on the link that you provided. It's based on whatever version that Sam has heard in his CD. I would also be very interested to see some videos of you playing the keyboard or even piano, may be?

Lika · Post by **Lika** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:00 am

I was about - Assyrian song "Yoqra" by Ashur Bet Sargis - and not about playing of .....
Read again what I had say

And ... I don't want to prove anything (if I can play or not ) ....

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:12 pm

Lika wrote:I was about - Assyrian song "Yoqra" by Ashur Bet Sargis - and not about playing of .....
Read again what I had say

And ... I don't want to prove anything (if I can play or not ) ....

whatever dude!!!

Martinkorg · Post by **Martinkorg** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:42 pm

Lika wrote:I was about - Assyrian song "Yoqra" by Ashur Bet Sargis - and not about playing of .....
Read again what I had say

And ... I don't want to prove anything (if I can play or not ) ....

Dear Lika, You seem to be very surprised by this

To be honest with you, this is actually very common. I know of many spanish songs that have borrowed songs from other countries. Most of the time, there's no way to translate the lyrics word for word to make it fit the melody.
Some times the Artist has to come up with the new set of lyrics. Every language has its own musical quality and what sounds good in one may sound real bad in another. Usually, the name of the song is based on its lyrics. That's why some of the cover songs have taken a different name. Do not feel offended!!! Greek artists take ideas from other countries on daily basis as well. It's a human thing!

pcguy · Post by **pcguy** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:02 pm

Martinkorg wrote:
Lika wrote:I was about - Assyrian song "Yoqra" by Ashur Bet Sargis - and not about playing of .....
Read again what I had say

And ... I don't want to prove anything (if I can play or not ) ....
Dear Lika, You seem to be very surprised by this To be honest with you, this is actually very common. I know of many spanish songs that have borrowed songs from other countries. Most of the time, there's no way to translate the lyrics word for word to make it fit the melody.
Some times the Artist has to come up with the new set of lyrics. Every language has its own musical quality and what sounds good in one may sound real bad in another. Usually, the name of the song is based on its lyrics. That's why some of the cover songs have taken a different name. Do not feel offended!!! Greek artists take ideas from other countries on daily basis as well. It's a human thing!

Exactly! "Tango" is not even a Greek thing, it's a dance from Argentine? So even if this is a Greek song, it's been entirely composed based on a non-Greek dance. Unless "Tango" means something else in Greek.

karen · Post by **karen** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:21 pm

This can happen within the same language as well.

Greensleeves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmOb5H8k ... re=related

What child is this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ9yiUQEGuc

Same melodies, different titles, different lyrics,.....not a new thing at all!