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[jazlover]

You set up the poll. You throw a bone in the dog pound and act like it the dogs fault.

Here is something positive for you.....don't post anything religious or political (which is a religion to most folks) and the forum won't turn into a brawl. I have not commented anything about your intelligence or whether you are open minded or not. You however, seem very quick to judge me. Why would you assume that this post did not go my way? Where do I stand politically? Narrow-minded...me...really? How would you have a clue about my political views?

I am simply stating that this post (although is in the right section Riotnerd) is in the wrong forum. If I chose to promote racism in the Off Topic section, it does not make it something positive for this forum or others. Please cease and desist. I can't say this any nicer than this. I have no beef with you personally. I would like for us to keep it that way.
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[marcdeben]

Hi all, I saw this joke on the web last night and just couldn't resist.

A stranger was seated next to little Tommy on the plane, whenthe stranger turned to the boy and said, "let's talk, i've heard that flights will go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger."

Lillte Tommy, who had just opened his book, closed it slowly, and said to the stranger, "what would you like to discuss?"

Oh, I don't know," said the stranger, "how about politics? Should we keep Bush, or elect Kerry?"

"OK," said Little Tommy, "that could be an interesting topic. But let me ask you a question first. A horse,a cow and a deer all eat grass. The same stuff. Yet the deer excreates little pellets, while the cow turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass. Why do you suppose that is?"

"Jeez," said the stranger. "I hove no idea."

"Well, then," said Little Tommy, How is it that you feel qualified to discuss who should run the country, when you don't know S**t?"

Just thought it was perfect for us banana heads!

Hope this lightens up this thread.

Marc

[GregC]

jazlover, you would be blasted if you promoted racism and you know it.

To compare a racism topic to this poll is very inaccurate. You are really stretching to make a point.

And if you did post a racism topic here I would merely ignore you.

So if you don't agree with an off topic post, why waste time on it ?

We live in a free country where there is freedom of expression and freedom of speech. It is not your business to control Odinmoon and what topic he should create. The fact that you made such a big deal of that made a question of your motives.

Bush vs Kerry is a real world topic and many musicians are speaking out about this choice. Nothing wrong with seeing how IA members feel and would vote. Mission accomplished, good job, Terry.
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[Odinmoon]

Thanks Gegc. I agree totally.

Its not the subject. Its how people handle it. 97% of people handled this topic very well. Only a minority Could not handle our opinions. I personally have gained a lot listening to what others think. And value their comments as long as they are not a personal insult. I don't know why someone would censor this subject. Unless they were frightened of the result? If I see a post on this forum that I don't like. I simply ignore it. Its not my right to censor people. Only true mature adults can discuss Religion Politics and so on. If we are afraid of these subjects because of controversy, then we are living a lie. And then how does one find out what the general population thinks. And shooting the messenger accomplishes nothing. I have found this poll to be very interesting. And again I say thanks to the people that had the guts to respond.

regards Terry
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[GregC]

Some validation in tonight's 1st debate.

Even Republican supporters( Bill Krystal, Mort Kondracke) admitted Kerry won the debate tonight and Bush did not do well. Kerry was the clear cut debate winner.

Bush looked befudddled,confused and unprepared. And ' terror ' is supposed to be his strength. It was obvious that he ran out of things to say 2/3 thru the debate. He kept on repeating the same comments.

Bush reminds me of a father taking the family for a Sunday drive in the car. He continues to get lost while driving but insists he needs no directions or any advice. Just trust him.
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[londonlad]

[londonlad]

Just got home from work and caught the 'juicy bits' on the news.

Gotta say, from what I saw I'd have to agree with you Greg, lots pf humming and harring, stuttering as his brain cogged into gear.

Bush looked especially flummoxed when Kerry caught him out on the 'Attacking the enemy' quote when refering to Iraq instead of Al-Queda.

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[GregC]

L-lad, here's the schedule;

Vice presidential debate:
Tuesday, October 5

Second presidential debate:
Friday, October 8

Third presidential debate:
Wednesday, October 13

The Oct 8 debate will be on the US economy, healthcare ( hah ! where ?),
taxes, issues domestic to the US.

Will Bush break his record of saying ' it's hard work ' 11 times ?

Should be a great debate !
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[GregC]

hey l-bear. A big part of the current problem is that we have an administration that has a lone cowboy plus a a neo conservative, neo religious outlook on the world. A worst of several worlds combined
where everything is viewed thru this ideology vs facts and critical thinking.

There is no secret to the agenda, read the Pianache doctrine.

I will say that, it is best to always remind ourselves and learn from history. I think it is a disservice to my country to repeat the same mistake twice in the world arena. I recall reading that Iraq was divided into the 3 warring regional factions by the British. The logic behind that was set up the 3 factions to fight each other while England could pull the oil. Is that correct ?

I agree we need serious leadership on global warming. You will not get that from the current US administration.

You might recall that the US had a lot to do with cold war disarmament
in the Soviet Union during the '80's.

What I have observed with US interaction with countries, such as Germany and France on world issues, is that the countries will only take
action if there is something in it for them. So there has to be ' carrots'
and incentives for them. Have you observed that ?

Regarding the decline of values in the US for children, yes, there is a deep struggle. We have a fast life money grubbing commercial obsession along with unattainable glamorous superficiality driven by the various media.
That is narcotic for those that are impressionable. Fortunately, we have many wonderful dedicated teachers in our country. Plus many parents
work diligently to control the garbage and drive home how a child can best attain education and balanced development. There are numerous sport coaches that have the same passion.

I hope I provided some balance to your post.
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[laughing_bear]

I often wonder about the socio-political changes since the early 90's.

The wall broke down in germany, and the world celebrated, celebrated the downfall of the communist system at the same time.

My initial reaction was that this indicates not only the downfall of the communist system, but also the capitalistic oriented states, only that iot will come with some sort of a delay later down the road.

Poverty in my view is one of the main issues we intend to blatantly neglect. Half of the worlds population lives on $2 a day. The GDP of the poorest 48 nations, a quarter of the world's countries that is, is less than the wealth of the world's three richest people combined.

Is globalization helping the issue of poverty? Is it helping that multis go to countries where the labour costs are so low that people literally work for a handful of rice and a roof over their head? I do not think so, and as we know the only reason for this is a quick and dirty profit, covered of course by those thick glassed economists who jabber about competition advantage etc.!

The World Bank and the IMF have an awful lot to answer for!

At the same time the media bombard us with the ideology that the current form of development and globalization is the only way to ensure prosperity. However, increasing numbers of poor people who are missing out on this apparent boom, while increasingly less people are becoming far more wealthy.

A simplicistic statement shall be allowed. We are not ruled by the governments of this world anymore, probably never had been, but by the club of those who control economy, hence resources. These are the forces that control rules of unequal trade!

Since the medival ages, not much changed. The wealth comes from resources, and the resources were in the countrysides. Hence they wealthy cities raided the countryside to force them to sell their resources to the cities.

And today? Same picture, military forces all over the world raid those countries to control resources, monopolize industrial technology and control markets.

Understanding capital and how it works today, understanding poverty and why Africa was kept dependant and inflicted with wars after WW2, understanding the distribution and control of resources on this planet is the key to making informed decisions and keeping an open mind, regardless of what the media jabbers day in day out.

One more statement shall be allowed in the context of poverty. Not long ago I had a discussion with a bright 12 years old who started to see the problems in this owrld and asking questions. While we were touching all aspects of history and present status quo, we came to the point of stableg prizes in the economy, and I had to explain to her why there are "mountains of butter" just as an example that are first produced and then destroyed on purpose to keep prizes in a certain region, that governments pay farmers subsidies on the purpose to not produce any goods, and so on....

Her reaction?

"I can not imagine that the people who do that ever had to starve in their entire life....." ---- No further comment needed!! ----

[GregC]

yes, the injustices and inequties are well reported and fair comment on contributing factors. There is a crushing Darwininian aspect.

What do you propose as solutions to reducing world wide poverty ?
Should there be a cap on excessive wealth in that co's or individuals that
exceed a certain # will contrute to a world wide fund ?

Even in the US, we have excessive poverty and declining income of the
middle class. Our healthcare system is dysfunctional and a disaster.
1 day in a hospital equals $10,000
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