trigerring styles using external drum module

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Hellow everyone great being here, this is my first post (:
i've just got my PA2x Pro and i'm going to use it in live application
i'm still trying to find my way through this machine by scrolling through pages and reading the manual and some articles on this site, i hope i'll get it soon because i have a lot of work and not much time, anyway, i have a question if you may:

i want to use my Roland V Drums TD12 drum module instead of the PA2's drums, but i want to be able to trigger it through the PA2 in real time while in Style mode using all the Style mode facilities such as variations, fill ins, pads, intros, endings etc... can i achieve what i want by using the same midi channel on both devices and by triggering pre programmed midi events coming from the drum style channel(10) going to the TD12? will i be able to seamlessly switch between the different variations fill ins... with any faults?

if you guys have some better ideas and if you have any experience using a similar setup which works, it would be great if you could share your experiences and knowledge on this issue.

Thank you all in advance and sorry for my poor English
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[rikkisbears]

Hi,
are you just wanting to use it as a soundmodule or does it have drum patterns of it's own? ( I don't know anything about it)

If you're using Factory Styles, you may want to save it as a User Style first, so that you don't overwrite factory settings. That's up to you.

Choose your style.
Press Record
Choose Edit Current style
Drop Down Menu Choose Write Style
Find an empty User or Favourites Slot
Save.
You now have a style that you can modify.

As a soundmodule,
Press Menu Button
Track Controls ( press track control a second time to get to the style parts)
Set Drum Part to External

From the drop down menu ( top R/H corner) Press Write Current Style Performance.

You should now be hearing drum part played by Roland instead of Korg.

The only problem you may have is the korg drums may send out different program & bank changes to what your Roland requires.

In track controls menu, when you hilight drums, you'll get program change & bank change top of screen, you can alter to suit, and again write as current style performance.

Don't know whether the Roland drums would sound better the the korg drums when playing a factory style. If you're using your own User styles, that's a different matter.


If you're actually wanting to trigger some sort of Roland Drum pattern via Korg , sorry , can't help.

Hellow everyone great being here, this is my first post (:
i've just got my PA2x Pro and i'm going to use it in live application
i'm still trying to find my way through this machine by scrolling through pages and reading the manual and some articles on this site, i hope i'll get it soon because i have a lot of work and not much time, anyway, i have a question if you may:

i want to use my Roland V Drums TD12 drum module instead of the PA2's drums, but i want to be able to trigger it through the PA2 in real time while in Style mode using all the Style mode facilities such as variations, fill ins, pads, intros, endings etc... can i achieve what i want by using the same midi channel on both devices and by triggering pre programmed midi events coming from the drum style channel(10) going to the TD12? will i be able to seamlessly switch between the different variations fill ins... with any faults?

if you guys have some better ideas and if you have any experience using a similar setup which works, it would be great if you could share your experiences and knowledge on this issue.

Thank you all in advance and sorry for my poor English
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Hellow rikkisbears, thanks for your replay

are you just wanting to use it as a soundmodule or does it have drum patterns of it's own?

the Roland TD12 has some space to save patterns, but a very small space(up to 20000 notes) it is meant for practicing along with a V Drums set, so generally, it's pattern system is most limited which makes it simply inefficient for a live application and therefor, i will only use it as a sound module, while using the PA2's space and flaxibility to trigger it.
i have to say, the TD12 drums sound better and much more realistic then the factory drums of the PA2 but hey, that is the only thing it has and nothing more

You helped me to figure out how to approach my set up, thanks a bunch
i want to create my own user sets and i prefer using Cubase for the midi job, the next thing i need to understand is how to transfer an edited midi files made in Cubase into the PA2's sequencer parts(variations, fill in, etc).

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[rikkisbears]

Hi,
that's great.
My concern was that you may have been wanting to play the factory drum parts via the module, that might not have sounded the best, but since you're recording your own, that's brilliant.

Best way to get your drum midifile tracks into a style is via the Import / Export function. ( Style Record mode)
If you're using an existing style, & you just want to replace the drum tracks,
Export the whole style as a midifile into your sequencer, then replace the drum track with your drum recording, then you import it back into the as a midifile 0. (Don't touch the Markers.)

Look up the section on Import / Export in Style creatin section of manual.

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thanks for the tip, you've been a great help!
i'll follow your tips and let you know as soon as i get to this part

you're a great person

[rikkisbears]

Hi Seq,
if you tell me exactly what you're trying to do, maybe I can save you a bit of time by doing a bit of a step by step.

Basically are you starting with a factory or user style? and just replacing the drum track,?
or are you recording a new style from scratch? If so, are you doing it in your pc sequencer?

Have you already recorded the drum tracks you hope to use in your style?

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Hellow again rikkisbears
i'm totally green to this machine, so i'll try to explain(with my mediocre English) what i'm trying to accomplish:

Basically are you starting with a factory or user style? and just replacing the drum track,?
or are you recording a new style from scratch? If so, are you doing it in your pc sequencer?

i won't be using any factory styles, i want to create my own drum sets from scratch so they would fit with the band's needs(all the appropriate fills, breaks, changes etc.) i prefer doing so in Cubase because i know it well and i guess that would save me some precious time, therefor, i want to create the midi files in Cubase and then, transfer it to the different sections of a style.

Have you already recorded the drum tracks you hope to use in your style?

i have already created some midi files in Cubase, but only as one large take without any segments, although, i can easily divide it into separate segments using the scissors tool.

i really don't know where to start at the moment and i don't have any workflow method, but i know what i want to achieve at the end.

Thank you again and again
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Set Drum Part to External

lol! lets start with : how do i do that?

[rikkisbears]

Hi Seq,
Choose the style you want to do this with.
Press Menu Button
Choose Track Controls press track control icon a second time.
First press basically shows the 4 melody tracks, second press shows drums bas variations etc.
Click on the Drum Part Icon & Set Drum Part to External.
Default is Both, means plays module & internal sounds.
External plays Module,
Internal Plays on Kor Sounds.

From the drop down menu ( top R/H corner) Press Write Current Style Performance. This will save this setting for this particular style.

Whenever you now bring this style up, these settings should apply.

p.s.
BTW , are you saying your user styles are only going to consist of Drum Tracks, or have I mistunderstood.
Don't go chopping your midifiles up yet, there may be no need.

Set Drum Part to External

lol! lets start with : how do i do that?

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Ahha! Thanks to your clear explanation i figured it out now!!!

the drum module is now has a life of its own, i just need the PA2 to trigger it correctly using my prepared midi files

p.s.
BTW , are you saying your user styles are only going to consist of Drum Tracks, or have I mistunderstood.

no, i am also going to program bass, and some other backup sounds
but not from the TD12, the rest of the tracks will use the PA2 sounds which i also want to program using Cubase.

Don't go chopping your midifiles up yet, there may be no need

sounds encouraging, are you saying that the PA2 can automatically do the chopping job and assign it to different parts? that would be so great.

[rikkisbears]

Hi Seq
I don't know what sort of styles you plan on recording, can you actually base them on a maj7th chord for variations & fills? If so, it's the easiest way to start because you can normally get away with recording 1cv
( chord variation) for each of the style parts, and 2cv's for intro's & endings 1, basically a Major & a Minor cv.

Style structure is on Page114 of the manual.

Default Midi Channels for recording
Bass Ch9
Drum Ch10
Percussion Ch11
Accomp 1 Ch12
Accomp 2 Ch13
Accomp 3 Ch14
Accomp 4 Ch15
Accomp 5 Ch16

It doesn't do the chopping. You place Markers into your midifile.

Page 140 Export Style seperated by Markers.
If you try Exporting one of the onboard styles, you can view how your style should basically look.

Plug a USB Stick into Front of Keyboard

To get to Export section
Choose a style
Press Record Button
Choose Edit Current Style
Press Menu Button
Choose EXPORT SMF
Keep Hold ing Down SHIFT Button while pressing Execute Icon
Make sure Bottom L/H shows USB-F ( usb front)
Still holding down Shift Button Press Save, OK, Yes

You should now have a complete midifile of the style that you can veiw in your sequencer.

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Rikkisbears you're great!

i'm now slowly reading the manual and it seems like i have some work to do...