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Basic Q- I dont understand what the various chord variations in different styles do, as well as what these variations do in pads..maybe someone can explain

danbuck wrote:Basic Q- I dont understand what the various chord variations in different styles do, as well as what these variations do in pads..maybe someone can explain

Chord variation is to tell instrument when and which CV play.
If you record something in C-Maj and Set C-Maj as CV1, will play exactly how you set, but sometimes in styles you wanna use something different, like different arpeggio for major that minor chords, then you record in A minor and set A minor as CV2.
Then when you play any major chord will play CV1 and minor CV2.
in Pads work the same, but pads can hold only 1 track.
I hope that's make sense for you.

Nemik wrote:

danbuck wrote:Basic Q- I dont understand what the various chord variations in different styles do, as well as what these variations do in pads..maybe someone can explain

Chord variation is to tell instrument when and which CV play.
If you record something in C-Maj and Set C-Maj as CV1, will play exactly how you set, but sometimes in styles you wanna use something different, like different arpeggio for major that minor chords, then you record in A minor and set A minor as CV2.
Then when you play any major chord will play CV1 and minor CV2.
in Pads work the same, but pads can hold only 1 track.
I hope that's make sense for you.

I guess this helps... Was wondering how this feauture could enhance my arrangements..Hmm doesnt seem like too many take advantage of it..

danbuck wrote:
I guess this helps... Was wondering how this feauture could enhance my arrangements..Hmm doesnt seem like too many take advantage of it..

Of course you can take advance of this.
Scenario: You can create 6 different fills.
You clone cv1 to cv2, change drums fill, assign cv2 instead C major to C (add9), which is 3 notes C,D,E.
Then if you want cv2 version of fill you play instead major chord (add9) chord.
Everything else still same, so korg still play major, but Drums track will be different.
Use your imagination how you can improve your performance.
Conclusion: Korg using cv to recognize recorded tracks set notation, so you can even complete change all and have extra variation, but you have to have more skills that average, know more chords, be more open mind that regular keyboards players.

Nemik wrote:

danbuck wrote:
I guess this helps... Was wondering how this feauture could enhance my arrangements..Hmm doesnt seem like too many take advantage of it..

Of course you can take advance of this.
Scenario: You can create 6 different fills.
You clone cv1 to cv2, change drums fill, assign cv2 instead C major to C (add9), which is 3 notes C,D,E.
Then if you want cv2 version of fill you play instead major chord (add9) chord.
Everything else still same, so korg still play major, but Drums track will be different.
Use your imagination how you can improve your performance.
Conclusion: Korg using cv to recognize recorded tracks set notation, so you can even complete change all and have extra variation, but you have to have more skills that average, know more chords, be more open mind that regular keyboards players.

Nice Mate. thanks. Just to get the point of this CV stuff. I mean I dont understand why a different type of chord would prompt a musician to wanna have a different type of drum fill... Im guessing the idea is simply just giving you more options in case the 4 variations given arent sufficient?..

Nemik wrote:

danbuck wrote:
I guess this helps... Was wondering how this feauture could enhance my arrangements..Hmm doesnt seem like too many take advantage of it..

Of course you can take advance of this.
Scenario: You can create 6 different fills.
You clone cv1 to cv2, change drums fill, assign cv2 instead C major to C (add9), which is 3 notes C,D,E.
Then if you want cv2 version of fill you play instead major chord (add9) chord.
Everything else still same, so korg still play major, but Drums track will be different.
Use your imagination how you can improve your performance.
Conclusion: Korg using cv to recognize recorded tracks set notation, so you can even complete change all and have extra variation, but you have to have more skills that average, know more chords, be more open mind that regular keyboards players.

Nice Mate. thanks. Just to get the point of this CV stuff. I mean I dont understand why a different type of chord would prompt a musician to wanna have a different type of drum fill... Im guessing the idea is simply just giving you more options in case the 4 variations given arent sufficient?..

Hi danbuck

Firstly, if you haven't already, have a look at pages 102/3 in the latest PA1XPro manual - quite a good description there.

Chord variations:-
Most arrangers STYLES will have "variations" (usually 4) where, as you know, you can get some different instrumentation and subtle differences within a style in order to avoid a monotonous 8-measure repeat (for example) just by pressing the VAR buttons

Example:-
So Korg implemented CVs - this means that when you create a style (and let's assume you are starting to build an 8-measure loop for the main VAR1) you can actually create up to 6 CVs for this one single VAR (in other words 6 x 8-measure loops) - why? Well you could create your main CV1 which would be what you typically want to hear when playing major chords BUT you may want to vary the bass line a bit (perhaps piano too) when playing 7th chords - so create CV2 but with those changes - you may also want slight changes again when playing minor chords so create CV3. When done you now have CV1, CV2, CV3 with subtle differences all for the main VAR1 for this style. Now you (still within STYLE edit) tell the style to play CV2 when any 7th chord is played, CV3 when any minor chord is played etc..etc..

When you now play this style's VAR1 live you will hear (using the example above) the various CVs played according to the chord type you are playing.

So having said all this, all main VARs (1-4) can have up to 6 CVs, all other elements (FILLs, INTRO ENDING etc..) can have 2 CVs - same principle applies to all when building a style.

When you play a STYLE the Korg scans your chord, identifies its "type" (maj, min, 7th etc…) and immediately switches to the correct CV within the VAR/FILL/INTRO/ENDING that is playing - it doesn't matter whereabouts you are within any measure the scanning and CV changes are instantaneous.

Note that assigning chord types to a CV is very flexible too - there are many chord types to choose from and you can also have multiple chord types assigned to one CV - for example using the above example - you could have created CV2 for 7ths and major 7ths and CV3 for minor and diminished etc….

Hope this helps


Pete

karmathanever wrote:Hi danbuck

Firstly, if you haven't already, have a look at pages 102/3 in the latest PA1XPro manual - quite a good description there.

Chord variations:-
Most arrangers STYLES will have "variations" (usually 4) where, as you know, you can get some different instrumentation and subtle differences within a style in order to avoid a monotonous 8-measure repeat (for example) just by pressing the VAR buttons

Example:-
So Korg implemented CVs - this means that when you create a style (and let's assume you are starting to build an 8-measure loop for the main VAR1) you can actually create up to 6 CVs for this one single VAR (in other words 6 x 8-measure loops) - why? Well you could create your main CV1 which would be what you typically want to hear when playing major chords BUT you may want to vary the bass line a bit (perhaps piano too) when playing 7th chords - so create CV2 but with those changes - you may also want slight changes again when playing minor chords so create CV3. When done you now have CV1, CV2, CV3 with subtle differences all for the main VAR1 for this style. Now you (still within STYLE edit) tell the style to play CV2 when any 7th chord is played, CV3 when any minor chord is played etc..etc..

When you now play this style's VAR1 live you will hear (using the example above) the various CVs played according to the chord type you are playing.

So having said all this, all main VARs (1-4) can have up to 6 CVs, all other elements (FILLs, INTRO ENDING etc..) can have 2 CVs - same principle applies to all when building a style.

When you play a STYLE the Korg scans your chord, identifies its "type" (maj, min, 7th etc…) and immediately switches to the correct CV within the VAR/FILL/INTRO/ENDING that is playing - it doesn't matter whereabouts you are within any measure the scanning and CV changes are instantaneous.

Note that assigning chord types to a CV is very flexible too - there are many chord types to choose from and you can also have multiple chord types assigned to one CV - for example using the above example - you could have created CV2 for 7ths and major 7ths and CV3 for minor and diminished etc….

Hope this helps


Pete

Geez-!Thanks for all the explanation. Its funnt because I didnt feel the instruction booklet was descriptive enough-Ive read it a few times... Thanks for your time..

[quote="danbuck"][quote="karmathanever"]Hi danbuck

Firstly, if you haven't already, have a look at pages 102/3 in the latest PA1XPro manual - quite a good description there.

Chord variations:-
Most arrangers STYLES will have "variations" (usually 4) where, as you know, you can get some different instrumentation and subtle differences within a style in order to avoid a monotonous 8-measure repeat (for example) just by pressing the VAR buttons

Example:-
So Korg implemented CVs - this means that when you create a style (and let's assume you are starting to build an 8-measure loop for the main VAR1) you can actually create up to 6 CVs for this one single VAR (in other words 6 x 8-measure loops) - why? Well you could create your main CV1 which would be what you typically want to hear when playing major chords BUT you may want to vary the bass line a bit (perhaps piano too) when playing 7th chords - so create CV2 but with those changes - you may also want slight changes again when playing minor chords so create CV3. When done you now have CV1, CV2, CV3 with subtle differences all for the main VAR1 for this style. Now you (still within STYLE edit) tell the style to play CV2 when any 7th chord is played, CV3 when any minor chord is played etc..etc..

When you now play this style's VAR1 live you will hear (using the example above) the various CVs played according to the chord type you are playing.

So having said all this, all main VARs (1-4) can have up to 6 CVs, all other elements (FILLs, INTRO ENDING etc..) can have 2 CVs - same principle applies to all when building a style.

When you play a STYLE the Korg scans your chord, identifies its "type" (maj, min, 7th etc…) and immediately switches to the correct CV within the VAR/FILL/INTRO/ENDING that is playing - it doesn't matter whereabouts you are within any measure the scanning and CV changes are instantaneous.

Note that assigning chord types to a CV is very flexible too - there are many chord types to choose from and you can also have multiple chord types assigned to one CV - for example using the above example - you could have created CV2 for 7ths and major 7ths and CV3 for minor and diminished etc….

Hope this helps


Geez-!Thanks for all the explanation. Its funnt because I didnt feel the instruction booklet was descriptive enough-Ive read it a few times... Thanks for your time..