Create a blank patch for the Wavestation VSTi -[ how!?!

[ulrichburke]

Dear Anyone.

OK, I'm a NOOB par excellence so if I get my terminology confulgated, please forgive me!

If you click on a patch you've selected in the Korg Wavestation, you get a list of its constituent sounds coming up (Midnight Run = Tap Drops, Marimba, Air Vox, Vocalise, Synstring, for example). Now in the Korg M1, you've got a ton of Init Patches which you can just select, then choose a bunch of sounds to go into them so you end up with one combined sound (like a COMBI in Reason, sorry to talk about the opposition!)

All I want to do is the same thing in the Wavestation. Start off with a blank list, like the INIT patches in the M1, then choose a bunch of sounds to go on the list. Or if necessary, choose a pre-created patch and delete all the sounds from it to get a blank list, then choose sounds I want to combine and put them on the list, then save it with a new name so I don't overwrite the original sound. Doing this in the Korg M1 Legacy VSTi is easy.

And where do you FIND the lists of individual sounds to put in this blank patch you're gonna help me create? If you have to delete the sounds out of an existing patch first, to get the blank patch - how do you do that? Pressing DELETE on the keyboard does nothing and I can't see a DELETE option onscreen!

How do I do this on the Wavestation? It's got far better sounds than the M1 for what I'm writing, I just don't see how to create my own combi patches from scratch.

If I'm misusing the word 'patch' - (I get confused with jargon easily) I mean 'bunch of sounds in a list that will all play at once when you press a key' (assuming they're all assigned to the whole keyboard simultaneously, of course!)

Any help would be great as I've got people who want me to write music for them, I can think of the music but the Wavestation's gotten me beat on this point - and you'd think this would be an easy starter. Can't even find how to do it described in manual or user guide - it's SO basic they assume (wrongly, to me) it's obvious!!

Yours hopefully - if I've missed a sticky or FAQ on this, just rub my nose in it -

Chris.

[EvilDragon]

Here's a blank FXB bank that I made ages ago for this exact purpose.

It will replace ALL 3 RAM banks with init patches, so be careful.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/j1311 ... n_Init.fxb

[michelkeijzers]

Here's a blank FXB bank that I made ages ago for this exact purpose.

It will replace ALL 3 RAM banks with init patches, so be careful.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/j1311 ... n_Init.fxb

Thanks, I will use it to test PCG Tools in a later stage!

[ulrichburke]

Dear Evildragon/Whoever Reads This.

I think I must be getting my terminology wrong - I'm a noob, remember! - so I'll try again without using any jargon (if I can avoid it).

In the Wavestation, you get a bunch of sounds that play at once. I THINK they call that a 'Performance' - if this was Reason, I'd call it a 'Combi'.

Now on the Korg M1 VSTi, you get a whole bunch of 'Init Combis'. You can choose from lists of individual sounds and save the newly-created group of sounds with a new name as an M1ALL file. When you open it in the M1, you get all the individual sounds/settings/everything you've chosen coming in and they all play together as a combi.

Really you don't need all that list of blanks you get in the M1 because you're saving each with its own name anyway, so the actual original-named blank's still there. You really just need one blank you can select sounds in and save as a new combi (COMBInation of sounds!)

As far as I can see, in the Wavestation there are no blanks. Presets galore you can edit, each one consisting of a group of sounds, but no blanks allowing you to start from scratch and choose individual Wavestation sounds for and build up, in effect, your own preset, like you can with the M1ALL blanks in the Korg M1 VSTi.

So I don't want to blank everything. I just want to be able to choose my own little list of up to 8 of the sounds built into the Wavestation VSTi, add effects if needed and save the result as a COMBI file, like the M1ALL files in the Korg M1 VSTi.

If there's any way to empty an existing Wavestation Combi, choose new sounds from those already existing inside the Wavestation and save it with a new name so it doesn't overwrite any of the pre-designed combis, I'm perfectly happy with that. I just don't see how to do it - the file command only lets you overwrite banks as far as I can see, I just want to save one little combi, not replace a whole bank!

There's gotta be a way to create and save one single combi, no? Or are you just limited to those that have been created already, the presets, unless you want to design a whole new bankful at once?

I've gotta feeling the answer ShOULD be obvious, but I'm flat not seeing it. So stifle a few giggles and help me out, someone, please? Create and save ONE new combination of sounds, not blank a whole bankful - I don't want to lose any of those already installed, no way. I just want to be able to add another to the list.

Yours hopefully

Chris.

[EvilDragon]

There's no way to do that on Wavestation - it works differently to M1... So you can only export whole RAM performance banks, unfortunately.


On the other hand, you can import SysEx files, and these can be single patch, single performance, waveseqs, etc. But you need to have an initialized SysEx with the data type you need...

[ulrichburke]

Dear Anyone.

I've looked up SysEx and discovered it means System Extension.

So where do I get a blank SysEx performance/patch (I THINK I mean 'performance' but I'm so lost I dunno what I'm talking about right now!) to put Wavestation sounds in to make my own performance/patch (again I THINK I mean performance!)

The techie side to all this makes mi brane 'urt! I just wanted to create a sound to use in a piece of Techno music and the Wavestation sounds seemed more applicable than the M1 sounds. Except none of the performance combis were quite the sound I was looking for - but I could hear elements of the sound I was looking for in several of the combis/performances, if you're following me.

So I thought I could extract the sounds that were the elements of the combined sound I wanted, put them together into the new combined sound and use that. Are you saying - please, in words of few syllables - that you can't put together groups of sounds in the Wavestation, you're soloely limited to the performance presets that come with it? You can't edit/change/add new sounds to any of them/remove individual sounds from a performance?

Some of the performances have spare dotted lines in. Isn't it possible to put a new sound where the dotted line is (OK - dashed line if you're being pedantic!)

Can't I remove all the sounds BUT the one I'm looking for and add sounds from the lists of sounds? If it's NO, then why is there an EDIT mode?

I do have the manual. I've tried to understand it. I've failed, dramatically, that's why I'm here. No way to do any of the above?

Yours a little sorrowfully

Chris.

[EvilDragon]

SysEx means System Exclusive, a special type of MIDI messages.

The layout of a Wavestation performances is like this:

PERFORMANCE -> 8 PARTS (each part = 1 patch)
PATCH -> 1/2/4 OSCILLATORS

You CAN change the performance from 2osc to 4osc mode, and of course you can select a different patch for each of 4 oscillators. You can also remove, add or change patches for each part of a performance. That's why there's EDIT mode in Wavestation for.

Changing patches in a performance - manual, page 18-20. The manual is well written and everything is explained pretty clearly.