Using foot pedal - pitch

solomusiker2002 · Post by **solomusiker2002** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:45 pm

Hi
does anyone know if it's possible to use a pedal ( what kind ? ) to control the pitch bend while you are playing, because it's difficault to me to play with two hands at the same time and then do the pitch at the right time ( ex while playing mouthharp )

please help anyone ?

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:45 pm

Behringer FCB1010

solomusiker2002 · Post by **solomusiker2002** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:46 am

Hi

Thanks for the answer, but isn't there any other product/pedal there is a lot smaller than this Behringer FCB1010, because I think it's to big for my jigs

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:45 am

There is an assignable pedal input that can take an analog pedal. It definitely can be used for volume. I don't know if you can use this for pitch bend. Anyone else done this?

kjeld · Post by **kjeld** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:57 am

As Rob say: "Assignable Pedal Input" it works. Just remember the "Pitch Joystick" are from "0" to "-" or "0" to "+"
You have to use a variable Swell Pedal type (ex.: EXP-2 or XVP-10 or something like that). You have to set in "Global mode" the "Pedal/Footswitch" in mode "Joystick +X" or "Joystick -X" what ever you think are the best for you.
Cheers
Kjeld

dadrian83 · Post by **dadrian83** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:00 pm

Hi!

I have a question for Rob Sherratt:

It is possible to use Behringer FCB1010 to control my PA1XPRO's volume, style events (start/stop, intro, end) or to change performances/STS while playing ?

10x.

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:51 pm

dadrian83 wrote:Hi!

I have a question for Rob Sherratt:

It is possible to use Behringer FCB1010 to control my PA1XPRO's volume, style events (start/stop, intro, end) or to change performances/STS while playing ?

10x.

Yes all of the above and much more. I can send you the programming details and perhaps a SysEx dump if you get one and want to copy my setup. If you do get an FCB1010, make sure you get the newer "dual voltage" model that has a reversible fuse carrier that allows you to operate on eaither 240v or 120v AC. This will make your pedal have a higher resale value on Ebay. There are older versions sold with fixed voltages, either 240v or 120v but not both.

Tascone · Post by **Tascone** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:52 pm

Rob Sherratt wrote:I can send you the programming details and perhaps a SysEx dump if you get one and want to copy my setup.

Hi, Rob!

Will you please send me a copy of your FC1010 set up? I do also own a FC1010 board but never used it in live situation because I can’t control the volume level for all three uppers simultaneous. Maybe you already have the solution to manage this.

Many thanks, Tascone.

alanG · Post by **alanG** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:52 am

Hi Rob
I too have a similar problems with volume on my fcb1010, could I trouble you also, for a copy of your sysex dump to experiment with, and learn more on the ways of Midi and this keyboard. I would also like to try and use the second volume control to control the Lower on the keyboard.
Thanks.
alanG
agrant3@toucansurf.com

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:09 pm

Hi Tascone and Alan,

I'm having a few probs with Sysex dumps. I haven't done that bit before. So meanwhile, let me tell you how I have my FCB1010 configured:

These commands from the FCB1010 need to be sent on the CONTROL Channel which I set up to the MIDI In channel 7 on my Pa1x. Not many MIDI files use channel 7, but if you have one that does you will have to find another spare channel. See p 238 of the Pa1x-OS252F-ENG manual how to do this, the CONTROL channel is NOT assigned by default and this may explain the problems you have been having. You then have to do a Write Global MIDI Setup from the page menu.

I reassigned my FCB1010 to transmit on MIDI channel 7 (ie the CONTROL channel into the Pa1x), not channel 1 which is the default on the FCB1010.

Then, these are the functions I assigned last week, I keep messing about though, so don't expect them to be the same next week

Expression Pedal A = CC7, Volume (when sent on the CONTROL channel, acts like the master volume slider on the Pa1x)
Expression Pedal B = CC8, Balance (between style accomapniment and upper keyboard tracks)
Sw1 = PC80, Variation 1
SW2 = PC81, Variation 2
SW3 = PC82, Variation 3
SW4 = PC99, Start/Stop Style
SW5 = PC91, Fade in/out
SW6 = PC86, Fill 1
SW7 = PC87, Fill 2
SW8 = PC88, Ending 1
SW9 = PC89, Ending 2
SW10 = PC90, Fill/Break

I don't currently use the UP or Down pedals on the FCB1010 when playing my Pa1x.
As you can see, it's not very complicated at all but it works for me.

Perhaps with these tips you can get your own FCB1010 working the same way as mine?

Tascone · Post by **Tascone** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:43 am

Rob Sherratt wrote:Hi Tascone and Alan,

These commands from the FCB1010 need to be sent on the CONTROL Channel which I set up to the MIDI In channel 7 on my Pa1x.

I reassigned my FCB1010 to transmit on MIDI channel 7 (ie the CONTROL channel into the Pa1x), not channel 1 which is the default on the FCB1010.

Expression Pedal A = CC7, Volume (when sent on the CONTROL channel, acts like the master volume slider on the Pa1x)
Expression Pedal B = CC8, Balance (between style accomapniment and upper keyboard tracks)

As you can see, it's not very complicated at all but it works for me.

Perhaps with these tips you can get your own FCB1010 working the same way as mine?

Hi, Rob and thanks for sharing your experience with us.

I tried your FCB1010 configuration under the last days. All the switches work fine but the expression pedals (both A&B) will not be recognized by the Pa1X, even they are sending into the same midi channel (7) which now is set as a control midi channel on Pa1X as well.

Just wonder why Pa1X doesn’t recognize CC7 & CC8, mean time is accepting all other PC messages from the switches. Could that depend on OS version? I’m using OS3.0.

Just one more Q..
Does anyone know if it’s posible to use one of the onboard expression pedals from FCB1010 together with the “KEYBOARD EXPRESSION” function on the Pa1X from the list of assignable pedal and assignable sliders functions?

Regards, Tascone.

jazzmammal · Post by **jazzmammal** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:16 pm

I've been researching these controller pedals and have a new question.

Can one of the switches on the FCB1010 or the EC5 for that matter work as a piano damper pedal? I can't tell if those switches are spring loaded or just simple on/off stomp switches. If they're not spring loaded then how do you set up a proper damper pedal for piano work? I don't see where there would be room for one if you have the pedal assembly set up so your right foot can use the expression pedals.

Bob

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:24 am

Can one of the switches on the FCB1010 or the EC5 for that matter work as a piano damper pedal?

Yes you can. The FCB1010 has a switch feature and a dedicated port for this. I used it to activate the PA1Xpro switch assignment - you configure the FCB pedal of your choice for this and it becomes a switch (i.e. could be used for damper I am sure) - you then simply connect a cable from the FCB to the port on the PA1XPro (just as you would connect a pedal) - this is not MIDI - the pedals are spring loaded.

Cheers

Pete

Reuben · Post by **Reuben** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:39 am

Hi,
Another possibility is to assign pitch bend to AfterTouch (like the Harmonica AT sound). This will leave your hands AND your feet free!

jazzmammal · Post by **jazzmammal** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:26 pm

karmathanever wrote:
Can one of the switches on the FCB1010 or the EC5 for that matter work as a piano damper pedal?
Yes you can. The FCB1010 has a switch feature and a dedicated port for this. I used it to activate the PA1Xpro switch assignment - you configure the FCB pedal of your choice for this and it becomes a switch (i.e. could be used for damper I am sure) - you then simply connect a cable from the FCB to the port on the PA1XPro (just as you would connect a pedal) - this is not MIDI - the pedals are spring loaded.

Cheers

Pete

Thank's Pete, that's what I wanted to know. I'm picking up a used one in a few days. I was going to order a EC5 but this Berhringer does so much more.

Bob

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