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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:13 pm
by Mike Conway
average_male wrote: New Workstations from all three main companies are here to stay forever.
Forever is a pretty long time, did you want to quantify that?
As long as we have fingers and electricity. Even without fingers, there could be neural link workstations. Let's see, one million years! (Dr. Evil says it could be a billion.)
My theory is that the very topic of this whole thread/discussion is flawed. Korg had already stopping manufacturing and promoting the Kronos line, right?
Correct! The fact that Nautilus is here proves that. Barring apocalypse, Korg will eventually bring a new workstation. It will be called something we probably haven't heard yet.
Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:01 am
by average_male
As long as we have fingers and electricity. Even without fingers, there could be neural link workstations. Let's see, one million years! (Dr. Evil says it could be a billion.)
The comment was directly related to the three aforementioned , “ all three main companies” will forever be creating workstations. This leaves no room for any of the three from going bankrupt. If any do go bankrupt, his prophecy can never be fulfilled.
Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:08 pm
by timg11
Hi, Maybe Korg doesn't want to offer a high-end workstation that does everything a musician wants and keeps them satisfied for over 10 years? Maybe they'd rather develop a bunch of more limited products in the hopes we'll buy all of them?
Here's the strategy in a meme:
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:36 am
by kday
ITguy54 wrote:
First of all, are you a qualified professional to talk about a mental breakdown? If not then STFU. I’m basing my opinion, not on my timetable, but reality. You continue to live in a dream world that Korg cares about your opinions. Their only product developments are always centered around Raspberry Pi. It would be foolish to think “who” would discontinue their biggest selling current keyboard, Yamaha or Korg? In Korg’s case it has already happened. They stopped making the Kronos 2 some time ago, or are you on some drug induced hallucination and think it’s still here?
Your mental breakdown state was assessed not from needing to be considered a head shrink or psychologist, or on being being considered what you call a professional, but as an casual observer to your state of self proclaimed extreme realm of a circle pessimist that refuse to consider other thoughts of reality other than your own.
Reality is not gonna slap the smiles of anyone's face. And those waiting for the next major Korg Workstation release whether it be called the Kronos 3, or another new name with equal Kronos features will get their day someday.
Your reality you call basing a belief that Korg is not gonna make a Kronos equivalent is just personal opinion and not based off any real evidence, yet you ignore a decades long pattern of a successful company making flagship workstations for profit. I think you lack basic commonsense to economics. When a company makes a successful product, it's almost a guarantee that they attempt to continue that success. And we saw that in the Kronos 2, Kronos X, Kronos this color, that color, etc, etc.
Now, for Korg, it's own to the next full featured flagship frontier. It may not come when you wish that it comes, but don't blow your brains out in frustration and despair crying that it will never come.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:05 am
by kday
average_male wrote: New Workstations from all three main companies are here to stay forever.
Forever is a pretty long time, did you want to quantify that?
No.
I believe Korg will be making Kronos level Workstations until the end of time. As long as world conditions allow them to.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:44 pm
by average_male
kday wrote:average_male wrote: New Workstations from all three main companies are here to stay forever.
Forever is a pretty long time, did you want to quantify that?
No.
I believe Korg will be making Kronos level Workstations until the end of time. As long as world conditions allow them to.
You qualified your answer in a way that generalizes any condition in the world. MJ will play basketball forever, provided the world conditions allow him to. He is part of this world and the conditions are such that he has slowed down a little such that he can no longer compete at professional level. : )
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:31 pm
by PCFREE
timg11 wrote:Hi, Maybe Korg doesn't want to offer a high-end workstation that does everything a musician wants and keeps them satisfied for over 10 years? Maybe they'd rather develop a bunch of more limited products in the hopes we'll buy all of them?
Here's the strategy in a meme:
Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2024 7:56 am
by ITguy54
kday wrote:ITguy54 wrote:
First of all, are you a qualified professional to talk about a mental breakdown? If not then STFU. I’m basing my opinion, not on my timetable, but reality. You continue to live in a dream world that Korg cares about your opinions. Their only product developments are always centered around Raspberry Pi. It would be foolish to think “who” would discontinue their biggest selling current keyboard, Yamaha or Korg? In Korg’s case it has already happened. They stopped making the Kronos 2 some time ago, or are you on some drug induced hallucination and think it’s still here?
Your mental breakdown state was assessed not from needing to be considered a head shrink or psychologist, or on being being considered what you call a professional, but as an casual observer to your state of self proclaimed extreme realm of a circle pessimist that refuse to consider other thoughts of reality other than your own.
Reality is not gonna slap the smiles of anyone's face. And those waiting for the next major Korg Workstation release whether it be called the Kronos 3, or another new name with equal Kronos features will get their day someday.
Your reality you call basing a belief that Korg is not gonna make a Kronos equivalent is just personal opinion and not based off any real evidence, yet you ignore a decades long pattern of a successful company making flagship workstations for profit. I think you lack basic commonsense to economics. When a company makes a successful product, it's almost a guarantee that they attempt to continue that success. And we saw that in the Kronos 2, Kronos X, Kronos this color, that color, etc, etc.
Now, for Korg, it's own to the next full featured flagship frontier. It may not come when you wish that it comes, but don't blow your brains out in frustration and despair crying that it will never come.
I’m not blowing my brains out over anything. You think I am overly pessimistic? I’m overly realistic. Some people can’t take a hint. I can. Korg has been hinting for a long time. But every month someone makes a new thread about a new Kronos. Now there’s one about whether 2024 will be the year for a new Kronos. It just won’t stop.
Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:14 am
by kronoSphere
Stoooooop !
Kronos is/was an ending point.
The next thing to come from Korg will never be a new Kronos but an entirely different and stranger thing !
Vst alternative for Kronos ?
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:08 pm
by hansstip
I've been gigging as a hobby in a 60/70/80s coverband for several years now using my Kronos 2 61 combined with 2 midi keyboards (NI Komplete Kontrol A61 and Arturia Keylab 61 Essential). All sounds come from the Kronos.
I want to remove the Kronos from this setup and replace it with a VST solution (because of the weight of the Kronos and the lack of a real successor in case of failures).
I am a complete newbee to the virtual option. Does anyone have any advise for me ? Thanx in advance for any tips / opinions !
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:20 pm
by voip
The Nautilus AT might be a viable replacement for the Kronos, unless extensive use of the control surface is required. Backups made on the Kronos should at least load onto the Nautilus, though KARMA functionality would not be replicated by the Nautilus AT, since it only has arpeggiators.
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:10 am
by Falcon2e
voip wrote:The Nautilus AT might be a viable replacement for the Kronos, unless extensive use of the control surface is required. Backups made on the Kronos should at least load onto the Nautilus, though KARMA functionality would not be replicated by the Nautilus AT, since it only has arpeggiators.
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Interesting…so we could transfer our custom programs and combis from our Ks into a Nautilus?
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:44 am
by voip
Yes. The message will pop up:
"This file was created on KRONOS. The sound data is different between NAUTILUS and KRONOS.
Remap KRONOS data to function on NAUTILUS?"
Selecting "Yes" will result in the references to the sounds being automatically corrected, so that the Programs and Combis play as expected.
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:43 am
by kronoSphere
sorry to tell you this but I had made some tests of loading one of my Kronos song into the Nautilus in a music shop. And it did not convince me at all. Too many parameters to readjust afterwards.
The good thing concerning Karma in the Kronos is that ifyou have made a copy in midi of one of your karma track and it played exactly as it was in the Nautilus.
But I still expect a real true Kronos 3
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 3:50 pm
by voip
Hmm, it might not be such an easy process then. I thought the conversion process was down to the re-referencing of samples and multisamples in the Programs. The effects, and the various parameters, should stay the same, unless there's some sort of software bug, resulting in those items being affected, or the Programs and Combis that are being imported having a reliance on KARMA in some way. Imported Program and Combi arpeggiator-related parameters that are not available on the Kronos, will also use the Nautilus' default settings.
Did you try loading a Kronos PCG, and trying the Programs/Combis themselves on the Nautilus?
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