New KORG PA3X Le!!

Thoraldus · Post by **Thoraldus** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:50 am

karmathanever wrote:Thanks Rick!!!!

Korg sneakily put revamped and new styles in these keyboards and often keep the same style-names. A classic example was the PA588 and PA2XPro - several different factory styles but same style-names......

I am feeling like I should go out now and buy a PA600, PA900 and PA3XLE so that I can be sure I'm not missing out on anything.
Also, such a purchase would cost me a divorce

Perhaps I should just go get a Tyros eh? (I WAS JOKING!!!!!)

Pete

I was planning on adding a PA900 to my stable of keyboards, then they screw up my plans by releasing the PA3X LE --- decisions, decisions!

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:43 am

I am assuming that any hope of a "PA4XPro" is way beyond the horizon now.....

(silently hoping for a PA3X update)

Pete

ldascanio · Post by **ldascanio** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:28 pm

karmathanever wrote:I am assuming that any hope of a "PA4XPro" is way beyond the horizon now.....

(silently hoping for a PA3X update)

Pete

Logic does not apply here ... but based on previous release dates with a 4 year cycle...

PA1X Pro -> 2003
PA2X Pro -> 2007
PA3X Pro -> 2011
PAX4 Pro -> 2015 ???

Rgds

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:03 pm

Thoraldus wrote:I was planning on adding a PA900 to my stable of keyboards, then they screw up my plans by releasing the PA3X LE --- decisions, decisions!

Pretty easy decision between the PA3XLe and a PA900...

Do you want 76 keys?

Do you play piano? Would you like to play pianistically, and still have the arranger follow your chords?

If so, the PA3XLe is a no-brainer!

Fransman · Post by **Fransman** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:50 pm

I don't understand... why would you buy the OLD PA3X for 700 euros MORE instead of the NEW PA3XLE...?
PA3XLE is the newer instrument and equiped with the larger screen.

I don't think many "NON-LE" PA3X's are going to be sold now.
Price will (have to) drop, I guess.

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:58 pm

While it may have a larger screen, it is still based around the PA900, not the PA3X76. No sliders, and probably about the same differences the PA900 currently has against the TOTL PA3X...

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:36 pm

Fransman wrote:I don't understand... why would you buy the OLD PA3X for 700 euros MORE instead of the NEW PA3XLE...?

I can give you some reasons of extra 1000 and not 700 euros that flagship Pa3X worth it !
- 512 Mb custom samples Ram capability VS 192 Mb (actually 96 Mb by default compressed)
- Double effect slots (Up to 8 Stereo Effects at once) & Waves output mastering
- Balanced outputs/inputs , Out1, Out2 S/PDIF Digital Out , XLR Combo Jack - Mic Input VS none ...
- Full real time arranger & sounds control with sliders vs none !
- Individual STS properties VS Global of all latest models , a significant (critical for a developer) disadvantage !!!
- The presence of important 3 fingered chord recognition !
- Moving screen position vs static !
- Better 76 semi weighted keybed (not keys shape) & better keyboard body structure !
FYI : LE has the some Pixels screen driver-decoder with Pa900 (same hardware) which means that just a wider screen
is only just an image stretched screen , like forcing 4:3 video to be illustrated deformed in a 16:9 screen...

If you think that a bunch of Pa900/LE OS new insignificant features (that can all be included in a future Pa3X OS update) ,
can compete all above then you've probably "lost the ball" , with an arranger that should cost 2000 euros the most ....
Only Pa4X would defeat the studio tool Pa3X !

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:19 am

. . . and it is TIME for a PA 4x
DonM

Fransman · Post by **Fransman** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:58 pm

AntonySharmman wrote: - The presence of important 3 fingered chord recognition !

Points taken Antony. There are a lot more differences than I expected!
(they're both called PA3X!)

There is no 3 fingered chord recognition in a 2.500 euro keyboard?

I'm shocked!

pippuzzo · Post by **pippuzzo** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:11 pm

Hi Antony,

you possibly forgot in your comparison chart:
- better TC Helicon engine
that of course better justify also the price difference between 3X and Le.

Have to say anyway, to be honest, that I better like in small models (600, 900, Le) the possibility to copy/paste, rename and delete in the forms (styles, performance, sounds, etc.) that makes some reorganizing procedures much more straighforward. This in 3X it is a kind of nightmare ...

Hope this help.

Best.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:53 pm

Fransman wrote:There is no 3 fingered chord recognition in a 2.500 euro keyboard?
I'm shocked!

After Pa600 this important Fingered 3 mode has been vanished and turned into 2 fingered mode actually !!!
Read this old topic with Paolo :
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... ce90a5898c

pippuzzo erase/copy/delete stuff are not a nightmare in Pa3X but just a few more buttons to press and as I said
it's just an OS update ... so simple !
Concerning other extra hardware Pa3X features , let's mention the best ever created DAC of Pa3X ! very close to the best Apogee models !

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:35 pm

I must admit, Korg are being a bit sneaky by calling this the PA3XLe rather than a PA900-76. It has got FAR more in common with the PA900 than the PA3X

This thread shows how easily many of us are fooled by the model designation!

Fransman · Post by **Fransman** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:04 am

Dikikeys wrote:I must admit, Korg are being a bit sneaky by calling this the PA3XLe rather than a PA900-76. It has got FAR more in common with the PA900 than the PA3X

This thread shows how easily many of us are fooled by the model designation!

You're absolutely right; I was fooled by it, that's for sure. The name PA3X is indeed misleading.
(By-the-way: In the instruction videos Steve McNally names the instrument "the L-E". So he wasn't comfortable with PA3X either, I guess.)

But besides that, it's a great machine (except for the chord recognition).

I'm keeping my PA800 though.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:54 am

Individual STS preferences is an important feature that you all pass by , witch means that every STS in a style can have
different setting like different : scan mode / chord recognition mode / bass inversion / lower area velocity assignment
Totally insane to force these preferences in a Global Mode , when a Pa800 already had those features !!!
At least they realized "missing fills failure" in LE version !

I'm also very concerned about the future PaSeries flagship Pa4X or whatever , if KorgPa will insist in that insane elimination
of fingered modes like Fingered 3 that gave the most important signature of Korg PaSeries arrangers against all other brands !
Keep on watching Pa arrangers evolution for 2 years with newer models like Pa600/900/LE and realize my frustration if I will face
the same awful chord recognition philosophy in the new PaSeries flagship that will revert all PaSeries credits for so many years !

PA3X Fingered modes

Fingered 1
Play one or more notes, according to the selected
Chord Scan Mode. A full Major chord will be recognized
even if only a single note is played.
Fingered 2
You must always play two or more notes for a
chord to be recognized. If you play just one note,
a unison will be played. If you play a suspended
chord (a root+5th), a suspended chord will be
played. The full chord will be recognized when
you play three or more notes.
Fingered 3
You must always play three or more notes for a
chord to be recognized. This option is automatically
selected when selecting the FULL Chord

===============================

Pa600/900/Le Fingered modes

Fingered
When in Split mode, play one or more notes to
compose a chord. A full Major chord will be recognized
when a single note is played.
When in Full Keyboard mode, play at least three
notes to compose a chord.

Just wondering ... no advanced Musician from older series like Pa800/2X , ever tied to play on a Pa900 without messing up
recognition mode harmony & root results ?
I admit that I can't perform a song with advanced chords using any of newer PaSeries 'cause of that awful chord recognition mode options !
This is a very serious reason not to upgrade to a newer model and I haven't seen anyone to protest about this ...
Therefore people , Chord recognition is the defining feature of an arranger...I want to see your active reaction about this !!!

Veren · Post by **Veren** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:17 pm

Hi All

Also of concern is that I have come from a Yamaha way of doing things and what frustrates is that there is no separate effects for upper that is not affected by styles and sts's.

Antony RIC: Please guide further on this issue of fingered 3 versus the other options. I always play 3 or more notes to produce the exact chords/feel/emotion I want and have never tried the lesser options with Yamaha or now Korg however from your above posting (copy/paste) one would believe that you could achieve any chord from lets say the Fingered 2 option provided you play the extra notes. If this is so then kindly explain why the Fingered 3 is so necessary as we all could be really missing something vital here.

thanx.