Kronos or Montage ?

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:53 pm

Kronos2ison wrote:Oh yeah there is a nice performance increase in the Kronos2. I am actually one of the first people to pop his Kronos 1 open and in fact had a bottle necked 100~150mb SSD transfer rate. Upgrading to a 500mb+ read and write SSD will cut your boot time in half. .

I would like to see you prove this on youTube

Thanks

Kronos2ison · Post by **Kronos2ison** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:10 pm

See Kronos 2 internals pictured here ----> http://m.imgur.com/gallery/Wy5ZM

See Kronos 1 internals pictured here ----> https://www.personal-view.com/talks/dis ... org-kronos

In the past these topics were tucked away tight. Taking your Kronos apart swapping parts surely frowned upon by Korg. Plus realizing the low end quality parts as an embarrassment.

benny ray · Post by **benny ray** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:24 pm

If I remember correctly the boot time between the Kronos X and Kronos 2 was about 15- 20 seconds faster but the K2 was loading the Berlin Grand which is a huge sample. The touchscreen was tilted slightly on the K2 so it was easier to see which was nice.

Kronos2ison · Post by **Kronos2ison** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:38 pm

Kronos X was very little improvement over the Kronos 1. It had 2 old slow 30gb SSD drives. The Kronos 2 has a single 500mb+ speed transfer rate SSD.

benny ray wrote:If I remember correctly the boot time between the Kronos X and Kronos 2 was about 15- 20 seconds faster but the K2 was loading the Berlin Grand which is a huge sample. The touchscreen was tilted slightly on the K2 so it was easier to see which was nice.

Kronos2ison · Post by **Kronos2ison** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:35 am

If you click the links showing Kronos 1 vs Kronos 2 internals. Pretty much looks like a total ground up internal redesign. The Kronos has so many sound libraries and solid foundation. I don't think Korg is going to scrap the Kronos name just yet.. Kronos v3 sounds about right.

Release date history:

Kronos 1 2011

Kronos X 2012

Kronos 2 2014

and here we sit 3 years later with Kronos 2 2017 still current for the moment.

theshinenz · Post by **theshinenz** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:00 am

We can all go on about specs. But they sound the same, so IMO theres not the HUGE difference you talk about.

Kronos2ison · Post by **Kronos2ison** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:30 am

True the little latency I experienced on the 1st gen Kronos I got use to it. Keybed issues and slower boot times, I waited. Fan noise I turned up the volume. But then I popped the Kronos1 apart and upgraded the ram, ssd, fan and most of my issues were resolved. Soon as I played the Kronos 2 I knew the internals were upgraded and tweaked. Followed by a big smile and the pics of the Kronos 2 I linked were from 2015. The newer production 2017s may have updated even further. Idk But I do know this. The Kronos 2 has 2x the performance. Do I feel Korg has room to improve? Maybe ipad retina display quality. Bigger faster SSD preloaded with more sounds. Integrated King Korg and Karma2. But then again why? Yamaha Montage and Roland Jupiter 80 are soooooooo far behind.

theshinenz wrote:We can all go on about specs. But they sound the same, so IMO theres not the HUGE difference you talk about.

billysynth1 · Post by **billysynth1** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:36 am

The reason to upgrade is because the hardware and the software keep improving. Who cares if the competition is sleeping

Do you put the brakes on because Roland, Yamaha and Kurzweil are having a cardiovascular arrest? No, you go forward staying healthy living longer...

Let Korg rule for another 20 years!

Billy

dfahrner · Post by **dfahrner** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:17 pm

Kronos2ison wrote: The Kronos 2 has 2x the performance...

OK, the motherboard, CPU, and chipset run at higher clock rates (although maybe not 2x), and the SSD access time is faster, but how does this translate into making the Kronos 2 a better, more capable musical instrument than the earlier versions? Has the polyphony doubled? Are there new versions of the synth engines that use the component's performance increase to generate better, more detailed/complex sounds? At higher sample rates? ??? (I think I know the answers to these questions, but I'd like to know what Kronos2ison hears and thinks about this)...

Kronos2ison · Post by **Kronos2ison** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:15 am

Listed below is the specs of the Kronos 2 ram. CL11 could be improved to Corsair PC3-12800 vengence CL9 5% improvement. With ram there are too types of speed. Latency and MHz. A greater front side buss opens up a mainboard bottleneck. The Kronos can SSD stream a 9gb Berlin Grand and you can bet 534mhz faster ram/fsb impacts the performance. Then 100mb read/write SSD data transfer vs 500mb to 700mb read/write SSD will greatly impact the streaming performance boot up speeds. So the Kronos 2 still may be able to squeeze and extra 15% improvement over stock.

Another wrench thrown into the fan is even though the stock ram of the Kronos 2 is CL11 we don't know if the main board recognizes CL11, 12, 13 or even 14. Because you can't enter the bios to see. So the fastest 1600hmz Corsair CL9 may recognize slower. Although with research the main board may accept ddr3 2133mhz CL11 that could default at 1600 cl6. Just never know until some testing would be done.

4GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800 SO-DIMM 204 pin NOTEBOOK LAPTOP SODIMM RAM SPEICHER
Manufacturer: SanMax

Manufacturer Part Number: SMD3-S4G28HA-16K
Brand Name: SanMax
Product Name: 4GB DDR3-1600 Memory Module
Packaged Quantity: 1 piece
Product Type: Ram Module

Memory Size: 4GB
Memory Technology: DDR3-1600
Number of Modules: 1
Memory Speed: 1600 MHz
Memory Standard: PC3-12800
Memory Composition: 128Mx64
Platform Support: laptop/notebook
Form Factor: 204-Pins
Non-ECC: Yes
Unbuffered: Yes
CL11
Chips on both sides: Yes
Chips per side: 4
Total number of chips: 8

Kronos2ison · Post by **Kronos2ison** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:56 am

Kronos 2 ssd install speed compare
https://youtu.be/rX-ehEGdw2Y

Kronos 2 SSD install
https://youtu.be/srTk6FVRzTI

As for your other questions I definitely feel the Kronos 1 had a lot of issues. Users Reported crashing issues which was from overheating issues. If you compare K1 to K2 cpu heatsink. The K2 heatsink is 4x larger. Plus K2 got a vented case. If there was never and issue ? Why fix something that wasn't broke? Back on my old K1 I could hear polyphony loss while running Karma with certain combies. But after I upgraded the ram to Corsair CL2 1066 2gbx2 dual channel kit and Pny XLR8 128 gb SSD all those issues disappeared.

Here is the fan I updated on the K1

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... ADY4B02543

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:49 pm

Kronos2ison wrote:Kronos 2 ssd install speed compare
https://youtu.be/rX-ehEGdw2Y

Kronos 2 SSD install
https://youtu.be/srTk6FVRzTI

As for your other questions I definitely feel the Kronos 1 had a lot of issues. Users Reported crashing issues which was from overheating issues. Item=9SIAADY4B02543

that was 5 or 6 years ago. Not yesterday. Maybe you had some bad luck .

And making disparaging remarks about Korg based on your history from 2011/2012 is not entertaining today. I think its a mistake to insult Krome/Kross owners by saying its garbage.

If you like to swap out components, Thats fine. Many know about better SSD's. That a good SSD saves 10/15 seconds in boot time

By now, if an owner had the 1st gen Kronos, with a few problems, got it fixed.

Its easy to dig up 2011 - 2012 posts via google search

Make sense ? There is plenty to discuss currently.

Kronos2ison · Post by **Kronos2ison** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:22 pm

Greg you should really read the whole thread instead of popping in on the last post with your opinion. Because what you said makes no sense. I praise the Korg Kronos it's an amazing machine. The Krome Kross and King Korg are still manufacturered with a crippled keybed. Still in 2017 and amazing as they may sound for the price. The keys still don't fully depress so as a piano player I could not recommend any of the three unless it was to be used as a toy. Because the only keybeds I know of that are made like that ? Cheap Casio from Walmart. Do some research or take a trip for a hands on demo. Also if nobody voices their opinion now? Korg will just continue to put crappy keybeds in these budget boards.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:37 pm

Kronos2ison wrote:Greg you should really read the whole thread instead of popping in on the last post with your opinion. Because what you said makes no sense. I praise the Korg Kronos it's an amazing machine. The Krome Kross and King Korg are still manufacturered with a crippled keybed. Still in 2017 and amazing as they may sound for the price. The keys still don't fully depress so as a piano player I could not recommend any of the three unless it was to be used as a toy. Because the only keybeds I know of that are made like that ? Cheap Casio from Walmart. Do some research or take a trip for a hands on demo. Also if nobody voices their opinion now? Korg will just continue to put crappy keybeds in these budget boards.

I am not much for jousting back and forth.

I know you are very happy on the K2.

But you are/were unhappy with the original Kronos. Thats your prerogative .

You like to discuss that personal history from way back. You disparage Korg for the original Kronos. I think the disparagement becomes annoying.

Like I said, its old news, I don't see much value in kicking the same horse over and over.

Since you have a negative opinion about the Kross, King Korg, Krome there are forums for that. This is a Kronos forum.

fcoulter · Post by **fcoulter** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:17 pm

GregC wrote:
Kronos2ison wrote:Kronos 2 ssd install speed compare
https://youtu.be/rX-ehEGdw2Y

Kronos 2 SSD install
https://youtu.be/srTk6FVRzTI

As for your other questions I definitely feel the Kronos 1 had a lot of issues. Users Reported crashing issues which was from overheating issues. Item=9SIAADY4B02543
that was 5 or 6 years ago. Not yesterday. Maybe you had some bad luck .

And making disparaging remarks about Korg based on your history from 2011/2012 is not entertaining today. I think its a mistake to insult Krome/Kross owners by saying its garbage.

If you like to swap out components, Thats fine. Many know about better SSD's. That a good SSD saves 10/15 seconds in boot time

By now, if an owner had the 1st gen Kronos, with a few problems, got it fixed.

Its easy to dig up 2011 - 2012 posts via google search

Make sense ? There is plenty to discuss currently.

Greg, these comments were in reply to my question as to whether the hardware changed significantly between the Kronos 1 & 2, not a disparagement of the Kronos itself. I thought the upgrades were mostly software, but was apparently mistaken.