OS Swap done. with video

_INTER_ · Post by **_INTER_** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:21 pm

Poumtschak wrote:Which could mean the e2 PCM - including some OSC - are stored in ROM somewhere.
Would both units not be identical, hardware wise, after all?
Interesting.

We always "knew" the hardware is the same. Now we have definitive prove. I suspect that the missing OSC are single cycle waveforms saved on the ROM and therefor do not play.

Ted3000 wrote:Is there a preferred file structure for the folders?

root/electribe sampler/Sample/e2sSample.all
root/electribe sampler/System/SYSTEM.VBS
root/electribe sampler/Pattern/

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:33 pm

_INTER_ wrote:
Poumtschak wrote:Which could mean the e2 PCM - including some OSC - are stored in ROM somewhere.
Would both units not be identical, hardware wise, after all?
Interesting.
We always "knew" the hardware is the same. Now we have definitive prove. I suspect that the missing OSC are single cycle waveforms saved on the ROM and therefor do not play.

Ted3000 wrote:Is there a preferred file structure for the folders?
root/electribe sampler/Sample/e2sSample.all
root/electribe sampler/System/SYSTEM.VBS
root/electribe sampler/Pattern/

Fantastic - thanks! That's how I set it up - root being the Korg folder on the card.

I loaded the hack, reverted successfully, loaded the hack again, tested sampling function with a sample import. Then I loaded the blank sample and pattern files.

This hack is brilliant. I hope Korg is able to outdo the hack with a swappable, improved firmware.

Poumtschak · Post by **Poumtschak** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:35 pm

_INTER_ wrote:We always "knew" the hardware is the same. Now we have definitive prove. I suspect that the missing OSC are single cycle waveforms saved on the ROM and therefor do not play.

I thought the PCM where in the OS file, which is proven wrong.
So units are differentiated in production phase, since the fixed PCM ROM has to be fitted or loaded at some point.
Hence, both units are not stricly identical hardware wise.
If they were, the OS swap would work 100% for the E2S as well.

Yet, the hack - 3 bytes changes - is so trivial I can't believe it's not part of some Korg's plot.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:45 pm

Ted3000 wrote:Another puzzler: The pre-500 oscillator slots are usually taken up by the factory samples. If you're a blank INIT man like myself, you have no interest in the factory sounds.

Since I'm running a blank samples file, I assumed the pre-500 bank would be available. Not the case? I thought sampler people could use them if they erased the samples. I have no samples to erase. Are they "taken" by the dormant e2 PCMs?

From the manual:

"To increase the available sampling time, delete unwanted preset samples to free up more sampling area, and execute EXPORT ALL SAMPLE while in this state; then load this data when restarting. It will no longer be possible to select the deleted preset sample numbers with the Oscillator knob."

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:55 pm

Tarekith wrote:
From the manual:

"To increase the available sampling time, delete unwanted preset samples to free up more sampling area, and execute EXPORT ALL SAMPLE while in this state; then load this data when restarting. It will no longer be possible to select the deleted preset sample numbers with the Oscillator knob."

The preferred and justified response should have been RTFM. But thank you!

I give myself a little slack since my electribe just experienced a mind switch, very disorienting.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:20 pm

No worries, I was just reading the sampler manual again myself to refresh the new features and remembered your post

Anyone have an all pattern file for the original sampler patterns? Just curious what they sound like.

Poumtschak · Post by **Poumtschak** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:35 pm

Tarekith wrote:Anyone have an all pattern file for the original sampler patterns? Just curious what they sound like.

You mean that by flashing the e2s OS, you did get the electribe sampler factory waveforms as well ?

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:43 pm

The file linked to earlier in the thread also has the original all samples data file to load those. I just don't have the original patterns, my ones from the 'electribe' OS are still there when I load the new sampler firmware.

Although, I'm betting a factory reset would restore the sampler patterns actually. I'll try that now...

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:50 pm

Factory Reset might do it - I just did an Import All Patterns, pointed it to the blank pattern... but you could also point it to the factory set.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:54 pm

Interesting. If I do a factory reset in the sampler mode, it actually reinstalls the normal synth patterns, they just trigger the samplers built in samples. Looks like I will need an all pattern export from someone with the sampler version.

Edit: Actually doing the factory reset messed up the OSC list too. The OSC's are named with the sampler names, but the actual sounds are the synth version's again. Seems like you really don't want to do a facotry reset if you swap the OS's.

Edit2: It looks like the file labeled "E2s original Kit" really is just a copy of the blank samples file as well. So if anyone has that too?

musicmagus · Post by **musicmagus** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:49 pm

Tarekith wrote:Interesting. If I do a factory reset in the sampler mode, it actually reinstalls the normal synth patterns, they just trigger the samplers built in samples. Looks like I will need an all pattern export from someone with the sampler version.

Edit: Actually doing the factory reset messed up the OSC list too. The OSC's are named with the sampler names, but the actual sounds are the synth version's again. Seems like you really don't want to do a facotry reset if you swap the OS's.

Edit2: It looks like the file labeled "E2s original Kit" really is just a copy of the blank samples file as well. So if anyone has that too?

Can you export an all pattern file with the default synth patterns while your E2 is set to E2S mode?

I'll trade you for my factory E2S all samples file!

Chapterhaus · Post by **Chapterhaus** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:55 pm

Soo, should I return my E2S and get an E2? I'd love more filters and oscillators, but would still like to sample.

_INTER_ · Post by **_INTER_** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:02 pm

This is total surprise buttsex to any E2S owners. Not only did we have to wait nearly a year longer, had to cope with devective pads, no, E2 can savely be swapped to the full E2S.
So the only thing going for the sampler is its black color.

apapdop · Post by **apapdop** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:26 pm

Hey, i've got them both. Don't i feel like a prize tit?!?! But serious congrats to the OP. That's some plums you've got on ya!!

HappyTed · Post by **HappyTed** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:32 pm

_INTER_ wrote:So the only thing going for the sampler is its black color.

If your paint hasn't started peeling off yet