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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:39 am
by Phabius
Hello again Korgman and everyone!

Since I've received Kronos, I've been dealing with the CX-3 engine, as organ playing takes a consistent part in what I do. I've been using Nords (and GSi VB3) for quite a while now, and used to work with a B3 + 122 leslie in the early nineties.

We know that as with every Hammond organ, or general tonewheel organs (and analog clones like the original CX-3), each unit has its own particular sound, and the combination of amp systems makes the thing even more varied and personal (not counting the instrument age here).
Recently I had a chance to play a few concerts in Japan using an original CX-3 (which was rented by mistake, I asked for the digital version but they were, err, very professional, so they thought I wanted the vintage model. Thank you!). That event refreshed my memories on the CX-3 original sound and I could say that (maybe obviously) the CX-3 engine in Kronos mimics the original CX-3 sound, I mean it sounds more like a CX-3 than a proper B-3, and yes that's great! It has its personality.

Even so, we all want that classic sound. My considerations on the Kronos "Hammond" sound is that the factory patches are a bit too bright. I personally think not all tube amp cabinets or rotary speakers could produce so many high frequencies... Of course they're oriented towards various music styles and tastes, and should sound in comformity with the rest of the sounds in the instrument. But what I first noticed was that most of these patches are jazz, fusion, blues or gospel oriented (I haven't tried any extra librairies yet). As a rock musician, I missed the balls a bit, or more rock oriented factory patches I should say.

But when you get to know the engine, as its very easy to understand (and better now with Rich's wonderful video), you can see how flexible this machine is!

With a bit of tweaking throughout the months I eventually came up with this:

http://korgpatches.com/patches/kronos/fr_hammond_organ

Still in progress, it's a very basic B-3 approach, manageable to taste. I've tried to make it more organic, responsive and vintage-like, a bit noisy and grungy, but it sounds really great live as it screams without piercing your eardrums. I could say it's a mix of Ken Hensley's typical organ sound with my own bits in it. It responds very well to the Expression pedal. The left hand controls are the basic ones.

Hope you like it!

Sorry for the long post, greetings!

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:20 pm
by Bart S.
Now, I finally had the time (as I am back from holidays) to play these sounds. And what shoukd I say - I'm really blown away! Really good job, Áureo!!! :D
I got version 6 and I am keen to see what happened all in the new version :)

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:23 pm
by Dniss
Thanks Phabius!

I love great contributions like these.

Will try later and come back to you.

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:37 am
by korgmann
Phabius wrote:Hello again Korgman and everyone!

Since I've received Kronos, I've been dealing with the CX-3 engine, as organ playing takes a consistent part in what I do. I've been using Nords (and GSi VB3) for quite a while now, and used to work with a B3 + 122 leslie in the early nineties.

We know that as with every Hammond organ, or general tonewheel organs (and analog clones like the original CX-3), each unit has its own particular sound, and the combination of amp systems makes the thing even more varied and personal (not counting the instrument age here).
Recently I had a chance to play a few concerts in Japan using an original CX-3 (which was rented by mistake, I asked for the digital version but they were, err, very professional, so they thought I wanted the vintage model. Thank you!). That event refreshed my memories on the CX-3 original sound and I could say that (maybe obviously) the CX-3 engine in Kronos mimics the original CX-3 sound, I mean it sounds more like a CX-3 than a proper B-3, and yes that's great! It has its personality.

Even so, we all want that classic sound. My considerations on the Kronos "Hammond" sound is that the factory patches are a bit too bright. I personally think not all tube amp cabinets or rotary speakers could produce so many high frequencies... Of course they're oriented towards various music styles and tastes, and should sound in comformity with the rest of the sounds in the instrument. But what I first noticed was that most of these patches are jazz, fusion, blues or gospel oriented (I haven't tried any extra librairies yet). As a rock musician, I missed the balls a bit, or more rock oriented factory patches I should say.

But when you get to know the engine, as its very easy to understand (and better now with Rich's wonderful video), you can see how flexible this machine is!

With a bit of tweaking throughout the months I eventually came up with this:

http://korgpatches.com/patches/kronos/fr_hammond_organ

Still in progress, it's a very basic B-3 approach, manageable to taste. I've tried to make it more organic, responsive and vintage-like, a bit noisy and grungy, but it sounds really great live as it screams without piercing your eardrums. I could say it's a mix of Ken Hensley's typical organ sound with my own bits in it. It responds very well to the Expression pedal. The left hand controls are the basic ones.

Hope you like it!

Sorry for the long post, greetings!

Great Fabio Ribeiro!!! Simply amazing its long post lol!!!

For those who do not know Fábio Ribeiro, he is one of the best Brasilian keyboardists of excellence, your band www.removesilence.com was submitted to the Grammys for consideration in the following two categories:
Category # 17 Best Hard Rock Performance "Pressure" From Remove Silence (Fade)
Category # 21 Best Rock Album Remove Silence - "Fade"

in time.. I Loved the Hammond that you customized, very realistic..

Hugs Man.. 8)

Áureo Galli - Korg Support Brazil
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:05 am
by korgmann
Bart S. wrote:Now, I finally had the time (as I am back from holidays) to play these sounds. And what shoukd I say - I'm really blown away! Really good job, Áureo!!! :D
I got version 6 and I am keen to see what happened all in the new version :)
Hi again my friend Bart!!

Thank you for your words.. I include many new gig combs in this my last version 13, including two combs to play the music Tom Sawyer of Rush Group

I hope they are useful to you.

Hugs,

Áureo Galli - Korg Support Brazil
www.youtube.com/korgmann

KORGMAN COMBINATIONS

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:50 pm
by Sandrobala
Hey Korgman, Thank you very much for these Combinatios!!!
The Acustic Piano is in Perfect Balance.Preset number 7"B007" let you control the Strings through knob 8 and Sounds Awesome.
The Rhodes Sound it's perfect....I love the fact that you can Control Phase through knob 7.
The Electric Pianos FM type now finally it's comparable or even better than Motif....ahahahahahahahahahahahha....Super Tines DX.
About the Organs Sounds.........Thank you again....that's all what I have to say......Sounds Rock n' Roll!!!!
That takes years and years of experience in programming and a lot of Good taste to accomplish that!!!
You are the Man.........KorgMan :D

Sandro Quadros

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:35 pm
by Bart S.
korgmann wrote: Hi again my friend Bart!!

Thank you for your words.. I include many new gig combs in this my last version 13, including two combs to play the music Tom Sawyer of Rush Group

I hope they are useful to you.

Hugs,

Áureo Galli - Korg Support Brazil
www.youtube.com/korgmann
Hi Áureo,

that sounds amazing as I am a huge fan of the old prog bands like Rush & Genesis :D
Can you please send me your latest sounds?

Thank you in advance!

Kronos Combinations!!!

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:10 pm
by Sandrobala
KorgMan!!!
Request for you......
I Know that you are a Busy man but what about some Lead and Synth Sounds?!
I could Swear that you have that in your Arsenal...ahahahahahha
Thank You in Advance!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Re: Kronos Combinations!!!

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:04 pm
by korgmann
Sandrobala wrote:KorgMan!!!
Request for you......
I Know that you are a Busy man but what about some Lead and Synth Sounds?!
I could Swear that you have that in your Arsenal...ahahahahahha
Thank You in Advance!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Hi Man.. thanks for your words..

What kind of synths you would like to use in Kronos, the examples go for me, attach some video so I can analyze yputube

hugs

Áureo Galli - Korg Support Brazil

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:59 pm
by Phabius
Great Combis Aureo!
I'm playing them right now!

I have a small collection of analog leads here if that helps, mostly Moog emulations a la Wakeman/Emerson and the like, using AL-1. Got to sort them right and make a proper bank for sharing.

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:49 am
by korgmann
Phabius wrote:Great Combis Aureo!
I'm playing them right now!

I have a small collection of analog leads here if that helps, mostly Moog emulations a la Wakeman/Emerson and the like, using AL-1. Got to sort them right and make a proper bank for sharing.
Hi again great Fabio,

I have more combs customized to my latest package version 13, I will send them to you.

As to their custom .. please, post here for everyone on the planet Kronos we can download ..

These analog sure your patches are gold sound ..

Thanks keyboardman!!

Lead and Synth Sounds

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:57 am
by Sandrobala
Hey Korgman, thanks for the fast reply.
This is the kind of Sounds that I am looking for....

Leads... Rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnbrb1z4At0

A little Jazzy kind of Lead like this one used by Otmaro....1:52 "Very Cool"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNFCHL1qs94

Synth... "I Love the 80's Sounds" Pads, Synth Motion,Synth Brass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ldkFXI68co

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw6tYDahEkU

Thank You for your Time!!!

Re: Lead and Synth Sounds

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:00 am
by korgmann
Sandrobala wrote:Hey Korgman, thanks for the fast reply.
This is the kind of Sounds that I am looking for....

Leads... Rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnbrb1z4At0

A little Jazzy kind of Lead like this one used by Otmaro....1:52 "Very Cool"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNFCHL1qs94

Synth... "I Love the 80's Sounds" Pads, Synth Motion,Synth Brass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ldkFXI68co

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw6tYDahEkU

Thank You for your Time!!!

Sandro ok

, I'll watch the videos .. thanks for posting it

Áureo Galli - Korg Support Brazil
www.youtube.com/korgmann

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:31 am
by xtatty
I have the version 6 of korgmanns sounds for a while, but i didn't have time to test them.
I did last night and was left speechless! Excellent work korgmann!
Loved the pianos, the EPS, the Lord organs and the Van Halen sounds!!!

Keep up the good work!

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:46 pm
by korgmann
xtatty wrote:I have the version 6 of korgmanns sounds for a while, but i didn't have time to test them.
I did last night and was left speechless! Excellent work korgmann!
Loved the pianos, the EPS, the Lord organs and the Van Halen sounds!!!

Keep up the good work!
Hi again my friend Xatty!!

I am glad to know that he appreciated my Custom Combs version 6.

But.. I report that in my version 13 added one multi comb called "Sw Scenes Karma", this comb you access instantly combined programs simply pressing the Sw's of Karma mode, and of course the first two combs and two play the music Tom Sawyer is the group Rush!,

Send an email to me that the version I send to you the version 13.

Thanks man!!

Áureo Galli - Korg Support Brazil
www.youtube.com/korgmann
www.pianissimas.blogspot.com