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Oasys owners ... Kronos really better or worth it?
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No but it stopped being supported or upgrade last year despite me forking out over 5,000 GBP for a future proof workstation. If Oasys hadn't been hyped to support it's ludicrous price tag I wouldn't have bought one. If it had cost a little more than other workstations I wouldn't complain. But it cost an arm and a leg and then Korg decided they couldn't afford it. Well guess what....neither can Ilbartram wrote:Hi folks:
I agree with Kevin.
To add my two cents, I make one observation and ask one simple question to the aggrieved:
My OASYS still works wonderfully. Did yours stop working when the Kronos was announced?
And then to add insult to injury Korg decide to put Oasys' resources (and then some) into a cheaper alternative for the masses. If I hadn't been duped into buying an Oasys in the first place I would be chomping at the bit at the prospect of owning a much cheaper but very comparable alternative at much nearer the market DAW price.
My Oasys works fine. I enjoy using it. I think it's great. I think Korg's attitude to Oasys buyers stinks.
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Kontrol49 wrote:Kevin,
If these topics bore you then why do you add fuel to a fire by putting your view to it as such knowing it will get a defensive reaction, you know your going to go against the grain of peoples’ views there are many people who can't accept or absorb this large financial outlay irrespective of it now being obsolete and bought into based on Korgs promises which however you see it, was certainly not executed in the correct manner certainly with the future of it. There silence to its heritage recently with the Kronos says its all.
There are many of us who have long got used to the idea of it being discontinued I have no grudge with Korg but does that mean others have no right to feel aggrieved or deflated, especially when Korg have given no formal statement from the Top other than a few words from various Korg USA employees.
Simply ignoring it in favour of Kronos it has only shown there arrogance towards Oasys buyers regardless of them discontinuing it a long time before prior to marketing the Kronos.
I'm sure even you can relate as an Oasys owner to that even if you see the Kronos as a great development or step forward.
Asking for the forum to be policed based on your own principles and boredom of topics is not having respect for others views and opinions.
I respect your points but expecting people to be silenced based on how you feel is selfish especially if you want others to respect and read your views or topics with the same amount of enthusiasm.
You may have moved on from this debate but there others who haven't, so have every right to feel let down and whilst there is still a forum dedicated to the topics of the Oasys you’re not going to stop this thread coming up its part of the legacy of how it was marketed and developed.
But we've been through this - time and again. There's absolutely nothing new being said at this point.
Furthermore I'm not expressing my opinion - my opinion is irrelevant at this stage (I largely agree with the point that OASYS was ended prematurely). But I'm pointing out to prospective readers of this thread that many posting here are inaccurate and generating bad will when this has already been dealt with - two years ago!
The only reason why this has arisen again is because of the release of Kronos. There is no ambiguity and I am frankly surprised at all who know full well that this is a discontinued product yet write as if there is an open issue here. This was debated, ad nauseum, over two years ago.
The OASYS is a discontinued product - we've heard those who feel aggrieved. Yes the forum is for expressing opinion - but not just one (largely skewed and inaccurate) opinion - ie - that there is something left for Korg to say on the matter. We all know the situation – there is nothing to say! Many of the threads on this forum have now been hijacked by this one eternal cry and it is completely out of control and nothing but negativity - old, very old negativity, perpetuated by the same voices over and over and over.
Korg have nothing left to say on the matter. For clarity sake here it is - Korg discontinued OASYS and told us this 2 years ago. They've moved on. So please stop hijacking this forum with perpetual moans and groans about more updates from Korg, more statements form them or about feeling agrieved about your huge investment. It was ALL said two years ago and this forum was getting back to some sort of normality when here it is all over again.
Kevin.
Sorry Kevin, but you generalise a sweep too far 
I bought my O in 2010 so did not contribute to the "ad nauseum" debate in 2009.
I don't like Korg's silence and I have, and will reserve, every conceivable right to ask the simple question of my instrument supplier if there will or will not be anything in the future.
It's a very simple question to answer. Your intepretation of previous debates suggests to you that it is over. Great - I wish I shared your conviction - one way or the other. I have not yet got the straight answer I seek and I seek it without trying to go over old ground (which I didn't because I wasn't a contributor to that in the first place).
It's great you're taking on the role of Korg spokesman here, but I really think that Korg should (given the recent events) speak up themselves.
So instead of having a go at our views which we hold (rightly or wrongly), could you perhaps convince Korg to make a statement? One statement - that's all.
If, as you suggest, Korg has already stated absolutely clearly that there will be no more for the OASYS in any shape or form, then where is Korg's post underneath yours to say "He's right"?
Surely such a post can't be damaging to Korg, because Korg has already stated it, right? Ergo, corporate governance allows Korg to repeat a public statement that is already in the public domain, right?
So... Korg, please confirm for the avoidance of doubt that what Kevin states is an accurate and true reflection of Korg's position regarding the OASYS.
I bought my O in 2010 so did not contribute to the "ad nauseum" debate in 2009.
I don't like Korg's silence and I have, and will reserve, every conceivable right to ask the simple question of my instrument supplier if there will or will not be anything in the future.
It's a very simple question to answer. Your intepretation of previous debates suggests to you that it is over. Great - I wish I shared your conviction - one way or the other. I have not yet got the straight answer I seek and I seek it without trying to go over old ground (which I didn't because I wasn't a contributor to that in the first place).
It's great you're taking on the role of Korg spokesman here, but I really think that Korg should (given the recent events) speak up themselves.
So instead of having a go at our views which we hold (rightly or wrongly), could you perhaps convince Korg to make a statement? One statement - that's all.
If, as you suggest, Korg has already stated absolutely clearly that there will be no more for the OASYS in any shape or form, then where is Korg's post underneath yours to say "He's right"?
Surely such a post can't be damaging to Korg, because Korg has already stated it, right? Ergo, corporate governance allows Korg to repeat a public statement that is already in the public domain, right?
So... Korg, please confirm for the avoidance of doubt that what Kevin states is an accurate and true reflection of Korg's position regarding the OASYS.
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@ozy: 
Kevin, I seem to lack the English capabilities to read the final statement like this: "There will never ever be anything again for the Oasys except spare parts ... as long these are available".
But even if it is written there somewhere between the lines ... or can be deduced by their current behaviour like ignoring Oasys completely in the Kronos launch: What is so difficult to make this clear by writing 2 lines in this section and make them sticky?
Dan and others from Korg keep posting in the Kronos section. I'm sure they know what's going on here in the Oasys section. Is it really so "unfair" from us to ask for at least a short clarifying statement? Am I really that worthless as a customer having spent thousands of euros for an Oasys + all the extensions? Is none of us worth 2 lines of clarification?!?
Kevin, I seem to lack the English capabilities to read the final statement like this: "There will never ever be anything again for the Oasys except spare parts ... as long these are available".
But even if it is written there somewhere between the lines ... or can be deduced by their current behaviour like ignoring Oasys completely in the Kronos launch: What is so difficult to make this clear by writing 2 lines in this section and make them sticky?
Dan and others from Korg keep posting in the Kronos section. I'm sure they know what's going on here in the Oasys section. Is it really so "unfair" from us to ask for at least a short clarifying statement? Am I really that worthless as a customer having spent thousands of euros for an Oasys + all the extensions? Is none of us worth 2 lines of clarification?!?
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McRos
Kevin why are you defending Korg? They pay you? You have some interests I think for saying what you're saying, or you find the money under a tree. You're Irish and this is enough for me. Nothing to add.Kevin Nolan wrote:God loves a trier - I get where you are all coming from - trying to put pressure on Korg - but - it's over - give it up! OASYS is a done deal. How many different ways can this be stated? They discontinued it - two years ago - there are no updates coming. It was officially discontinued.
Again I remind you (of my personal disappointment) that Korg could not even bring themselves to mention OASYS as the origin of Kronos. So just how much focus do you think Korg are giving OASYS right now? The answer is completely clear and 100% definitive - none. Again - OASYS is history.
If you and others here are really looking for new features for music sake - Kronos is now your focus. But if this is just yet another cry of foul play, then it's falling on deaf ears - and again - we've been through this in true depth (and to the new poster who told me to shut up - I suggest you go back over past threads in this forum and take a look at the depth of analysis done on this two years ago).
Now - if this is not clear enough for you then you are franlkly not listening - this is your problem and you'll have to just live with it.
And I have to say - I'm an getting tired of the OASYS forum being virtually completely hijacked again by these tired old, pointless arguements. We've been through all of this - including a plethora of responses by Dan and Jerry - pleaee use the search button and read them before presenting the same re-used arguements and points.
OASYS is past. There will be no more statements from Korg. It's definitive and you must accept that and stop going over and over and over the ame bloody ground.
Sharp - is there any way you could consolidate all of these old pointeless threads into one overarching one, or lock a few of them down? The OASYS forum is turning into a gripe forum and it needs to be tempered!
Kevin
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McRos
They have took our money, for them is enough. They've screwed us but they don't seem to care of what we think. And Kevin it's just an arrongant scum. Oasys is history? It's nor 2 years that it has been discountinued telling to us all a lot of lies and is it history? An 8000 euros workstation? Have I to be quiet? No way. Irish people, lol.Charlie wrote:@ozy:
Kevin, I seem to lack the English capabilities to read the final statement like this: "There will never ever be anything again for the Oasys except spare parts ... as long these are available".
But even if it is written there somewhere between the lines ... or can be deduced by their current behaviour like ignoring Oasys completely in the Kronos launch: What is so difficult to make this clear by writing 2 lines in this section and make them sticky?
Dan and others from Korg keep posting in the Kronos section. I'm sure they know what's going on here in the Oasys section. Is it really so "unfair" from us to ask for at least a short clarifying statement? Am I really that worthless as a customer having spent thousands of euros for an Oasys + all the extensions? Is none of us worth 2 lines of clarification?!?
McRos - please don't sink to personal insults. That's not what this board's about. And Kevin absolutely does not deserve such insults. I value, as do many, his input on these boards very much and he gives freely of his time, experience, very useful advice and even many of his own sounds for his own OASYS for FREE.
I'm more interested in Kevin's views about my post above regarding a simple statement from Korg.
Disagree with people if you want McRos - that's your right. But you do not have the right to treat people disrespectively.
You are NOT helping us to be seen as keen to have a reasoned and respectful exchange if you just turn on someone who has his/her right to have a different view to yourself. Korg is certainly not going to respond to behaviour like that.
Thanks for thinking about it.
@ KN - My sincere apologies Kevin - you do not deserve the posts above and I'm sorry that you have to read them. I hope that you can rise above it. I am going to re-post my previous comment so that you can focus on it.
I'm more interested in Kevin's views about my post above regarding a simple statement from Korg.
Disagree with people if you want McRos - that's your right. But you do not have the right to treat people disrespectively.
You are NOT helping us to be seen as keen to have a reasoned and respectful exchange if you just turn on someone who has his/her right to have a different view to yourself. Korg is certainly not going to respond to behaviour like that.
Thanks for thinking about it.
@ KN - My sincere apologies Kevin - you do not deserve the posts above and I'm sorry that you have to read them. I hope that you can rise above it. I am going to re-post my previous comment so that you can focus on it.
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Re-post to keep the discussion focussed on the matter in hand
Sorry Kevin, but you generalise a sweep too far
I bought my O in 2010 so did not contribute to the "ad nauseum" debate in 2009.
I don't like Korg's silence and I have, and will reserve, every conceivable right to ask the simple question of my instrument supplier if there will or will not be anything in the future.
It's a very simple question to answer. Your intepretation of previous debates suggests to you that it is over. Great - I wish I shared your conviction - one way or the other. I have not yet got the straight answer I seek and I seek it without trying to go over old ground (which I didn't because I wasn't a contributor to that in the first place).
It's great you're taking on the role of Korg spokesman here, but I really think that Korg should (given the recent events) speak up themselves.
So instead of having a go at our views which we hold (rightly or wrongly), could you perhaps convince Korg to make a statement? One statement - that's all.
If, as you suggest, Korg has already stated absolutely clearly that there will be no more for the OASYS in any shape or form, then where is Korg's post underneath yours to say "He's right"?
Surely such a post can't be damaging to Korg, because Korg has already stated it, right? Ergo, corporate governance allows Korg to repeat a public statement that is already in the public domain, right?
So... Korg, please confirm for the avoidance of doubt that what Kevin states is an accurate and true reflection of Korg's position regarding the OASYS.
Sorry Kevin, but you generalise a sweep too far
I bought my O in 2010 so did not contribute to the "ad nauseum" debate in 2009.
I don't like Korg's silence and I have, and will reserve, every conceivable right to ask the simple question of my instrument supplier if there will or will not be anything in the future.
It's a very simple question to answer. Your intepretation of previous debates suggests to you that it is over. Great - I wish I shared your conviction - one way or the other. I have not yet got the straight answer I seek and I seek it without trying to go over old ground (which I didn't because I wasn't a contributor to that in the first place).
It's great you're taking on the role of Korg spokesman here, but I really think that Korg should (given the recent events) speak up themselves.
So instead of having a go at our views which we hold (rightly or wrongly), could you perhaps convince Korg to make a statement? One statement - that's all.
If, as you suggest, Korg has already stated absolutely clearly that there will be no more for the OASYS in any shape or form, then where is Korg's post underneath yours to say "He's right"?
Surely such a post can't be damaging to Korg, because Korg has already stated it, right? Ergo, corporate governance allows Korg to repeat a public statement that is already in the public domain, right?
So... Korg, please confirm for the avoidance of doubt that what Kevin states is an accurate and true reflection of Korg's position regarding the OASYS.
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Just to make that clear: Kevin has contributed more to this forum than perhaps 95% of the people posting here. He has given lots of good advice, shared hundreds of sounds for free, taken the time to write meaningful and helpful posts - not only about Oasys but about many synths and sound programming, even on organizing that. I have deep respect for such people and esp. for Kevin. 
Furthermore I dislike any rude comment or misrepresentation. Just because its a forum one doesn't have to drop his (hopefully good) manners.
Kevin, I've tried to follow your arguments. I know you dont write them just for fun and you choose your words well. After all it takes some courage to write like you do and take a position against the mainstream - esp. when you yourself aren't happy with Korgs Oasys decesions.
But I really cant find this statement "Oasys software development is finished forever" anywhere. I agree, it is very likely so and could be deduced from Korgs behaviour. But I'd like to have it confirmed officially. To me there's a difference between a normal synth (both, normal prisewise and normal hardwarewise) and the Oasys. Its open architecture allows to discontinue hardware production but go on with software development. I thought that Korg stopped the whole idea when announcing the end of Oasys production. But actually they continued and improved it - softwarewise! So I believe we deserve at least another clarifying statement if in the light of new developments (aka Kroasys) there's something for the former flagship-buyers too.
Furthermore I dislike any rude comment or misrepresentation. Just because its a forum one doesn't have to drop his (hopefully good) manners.
Kevin, I've tried to follow your arguments. I know you dont write them just for fun and you choose your words well. After all it takes some courage to write like you do and take a position against the mainstream - esp. when you yourself aren't happy with Korgs Oasys decesions.
But I really cant find this statement "Oasys software development is finished forever" anywhere. I agree, it is very likely so and could be deduced from Korgs behaviour. But I'd like to have it confirmed officially. To me there's a difference between a normal synth (both, normal prisewise and normal hardwarewise) and the Oasys. Its open architecture allows to discontinue hardware production but go on with software development. I thought that Korg stopped the whole idea when announcing the end of Oasys production. But actually they continued and improved it - softwarewise! So I believe we deserve at least another clarifying statement if in the light of new developments (aka Kroasys) there's something for the former flagship-buyers too.
And ala Kevin Nolan, I agree with several posters above, he's made some great contributions, sounds for all of us to download and posted in depth about many topics covering the Oasys.
Of course, his "temper" or whatever you call it, goes off tantrum once in a while and McRos, you can call that "Irish" or whatever, but its just part of his personality.
Having an opinion and eloquence like Kevin's in this board is a great attribute, not a detrimental sabotage of indictment such as the lowlife scummy words you choose when having a debate.....
Of course, his "temper" or whatever you call it, goes off tantrum once in a while and McRos, you can call that "Irish" or whatever, but its just part of his personality.
Having an opinion and eloquence like Kevin's in this board is a great attribute, not a detrimental sabotage of indictment such as the lowlife scummy words you choose when having a debate.....
Hm, I just reread the official statement for the x-time and have to admit I overlooked the other side of the final sentence: "As always, we will announce further support only when it becomes available." I interpret this that we wont get any answers from Korg until they've actually come up with something new.
I still think this is a weird communication because you can never know for sure wether software development for your product is finished or not. I can understand that someone doesnt announce new developments ahead of time. But I dont understand why Korg cannot simply say that they've stopped all software developments for Oasys if thats actually the case. It would make more sense to announce this fact in the case of Oasys because it was marketed as open.
Anyhow, I give in. We've said what can be said on this issue. I'm sure Korg knows what many of their Oasys customers think about the whole story and the way they communicate. Nevertheless I wish Korg good luck with the Kronos and their future products. And to all the Oasys users: keep on making great music - thats what the whole thing actually is about.
I still think this is a weird communication because you can never know for sure wether software development for your product is finished or not. I can understand that someone doesnt announce new developments ahead of time. But I dont understand why Korg cannot simply say that they've stopped all software developments for Oasys if thats actually the case. It would make more sense to announce this fact in the case of Oasys because it was marketed as open.
Anyhow, I give in. We've said what can be said on this issue. I'm sure Korg knows what many of their Oasys customers think about the whole story and the way they communicate. Nevertheless I wish Korg good luck with the Kronos and their future products. And to all the Oasys users: keep on making great music - thats what the whole thing actually is about.
And what about that picture you have as an avatar?Akos Janca wrote:I think we can all agree on one thing: this situation is not solved properly. Instead of repeating myself I found it a good idea to simply complete my sig to display my opinion without wasting space and directly annoying people.
You didn't consider that to be annoying?
