Is the M3 abandonware?

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BasariStudios wrote:1. Why ask for features that you will never use or never learn?
2. Why 2 GB RAM when you need a lifetime to Load those 2 GB.

Well for thiss question i can answer with out problems.

As i am a happy owner of Motif Xs when u load 24/48 khz samples thay are more larger and requair more space,
for example Yamaha sells some libraries with 24 bit samples for example
this one http://shop.motifator.com/index.php/voi ... if-xs.html

and this singel piano will eat 370mb of ur sampling mamory.....

so in conclusion in a real worl even that 2 gb of mamory is not much for very high quality samples :(
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kimu wrote:uuhhhh never known of such motif big big limitations.... i tried the XS when thinking of getting the M3 (coming from Trinity) but never felt comfortable on it
year but i want to make it clear motif Xs can ran only 4 programs in perfomanse, but each program has 8 oscilators(korg has only 4) each program can have only 2 inserts(korg has 5) plus fully independed and programable chorus and reverb effects(korg don't have this). but in perfomas mode all programs will be rannud exactly as thay are in program mode so in total u will use 8 inserts.

how ever i guees it it a little bit limitation that u can not use all 8 inserts for a singel program...

about users banks, yes it has only 3 and 1 for drums but i belive Yamaha is going to fix this and in upcoming update all 8 factory banks will be editable so in total u are going to have 11 user banks...
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Daz wrote:The M3 isn't an OASYS...there are no promises of continued development.
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Enjoy your M3 !
It really did receive a great deal of *meaningful* updates to *important* aspects of the product that Korg failed to address on the Oasys.
Daz.

+1 ... As usual with any of your posts, my friend :-)

Thanx and regards.
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Post by Stefanus Wayanartha »

if im not mistaken, M3 has 2 oscilators for each programs, but you can put 4 stereo multisamples in one oscilator, with total 8 stereo multisamples within 2 oscilators. and of course it takes 8 polyphony for one note... and you can split and layer the multisamples inside those 2 oscilators like combi does...

and i love this flexibility to create some crazy sounds in my M3...
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botega wrote:sani
i am not a yamaha fan...
Why not? I don't have a problem with this. The point is in having a balanced view on things. I like the M3 for a lot of things, but it has some serious drawbacks, up to the amount that I actually had to sell it. So, I'm actually here for sentimental reasons.
regarding the Effectsection, since i never use the motif's hardware sequencer i don't care having only two insert effects per track, i use it mostly for live application and the results speak for itself - VCM compression and EQ are simply work better in PA system for me
in my studio i'm using only waves, uad and powercore effects.
How effects do sound to somebody can belong to the same question how a piano sounds to somebody. Personally, I hardly like what I hear on any PA system while playing live. Nothing sounds as good as on my studio monitors. I can understand that you like the vcm compression from the motif, but that you really hear a difference in the eq?
But than, on the other side, I remember that the rotary effect on my former motif es sounded like a chessy vibrato compared to the rotary effect on my former triton. Simply a matter of personal taste.
regarding the 6000 useless arpeggios... thety are totally useless lol! but you can create your own arpeggios if you like i prefer KARMA!
I called them useless because there is no tap tempo. For example, when my guitar player plays a latin solo, I'd like to use that great guitar arpeggios on the motif. But impossible because there is no tap tempo.
you can plug in a tap tempo midi device and you'll have a tap tempo feature if you like
And what midi device? I know that bad_mister on motifator suggested a mididriven tap tempo pedal which costs about 100 dollars or even more. So, I should pay 100 dollars for a pedal, just because the "idiots" can't understand that in a live station neither the arpeggios nor bpm based effects are controllable.
The same applies to the sustain pedal. If you have the wrong one, you have to spend even more money.
korg EXB 256 looks like a marketing trick, it cost a lot here while simple
1gb dimm sdram pc133 cost a lot less...
Yes it does. But, if you have to buy a new sustain pedal and if you have to use a tap tempo midi pedal, you'll spend the same amount of money!
go roland!!!..... LOLzzzzzzz
Uuuuh, let's not start on Roland. I own a Fantom G. To make mistakes which Roland made and makes on its workstations, you either have to hate your customers or you have to hate your customers. There is not a single feature on that machine, for which I would say that it's done in the proper way.
Just look their last os update. They put after two years some new sounds on it (what the hell have the sounds to do with os update) and they put one half baked feature. And for them, that one feature justifies the jump from 1.3 to 1.5.
Roland certainly knows how to make good samples and multisamples, but for christs sake, they don't know how to make good workstations.
Those idiots removed the numeric buttons from the original fantom, and now, 4 versions later, you have to use the pads to dial in numbers. But before you have to turn the "numeric mode" on. And than off to use the pads for other functions. Imagine being on stage and pressing the numeric mode button on and off all the night.
I'd better shut up now. :lol: [/quote]
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Re: Is the M3 abandonware?

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LiqMat wrote:I noticed you lucky folks who own a Roland G series workstation just got a really nice new OS upgrade last month (April 2010). What up Korg? Haven't heard a peep from you in almost a year since OS version 2.04! Should we call the M3 forums wish list the wish-on list?
Roland has only made minor updates to the Fantom G. Note even Roland didn't have the balls to claim this was a "2.0" update.

The M3 has had significant updates. Given Korg's history, there may not be any more updates after 2.0.

Especially with a keyboard that has been out for a while, you should definitely only buy it based on its current capabilities.
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Thanks for all the replies. Did not mean to start a firestorm. (yes you did!) M3 is the better choice for me compared to the others from Roland and Yamaha, but I was really hoping there would be continued dev on the M3. Anyway, software fills the gap and my Roland Mv-8800 does all my sampling. The M3 is still my fav goto box for sounds just would like to see things like a drum grid and some expanded pattern seq, no cutout in song mode when you move between songs pre rendered in real time, etc. I'll be the first to jump on an M3 Extreme or M4 if these wants are addressed. To say I am spoiled is ridiculous since everyone has their own way of working on music and the only thing that has spoiled me is the absolutely genius sequencer and drum grid on the Roland MV-8800 that I wish Korg or Roland could have implemented on their workstations. That's all. I've got a fun weekend of sampling to do to build my sound library so signing off. Thanks.
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Daz wrote:
Gargamel314 wrote:.The M3 isn't an OASYS...there are no promises of continued development.
The Oasys got a handful of updates (no continued developed), but still remains "eighties' tech" (apologies to the history channel) in comparison to the M3 when it comes to actually making music. The Oasys only SOUNDED like an $8000 instrument, it was crumby to actually use in any real productive way. The brief 'continued development' just gave you new software instruments that you couldn't really use except in a trivial way.

Enjoy your M3 ! It really did receive a great deal of *meaningful* updates to *important* aspects of the product that Korg failed to address on the Oasys. It was definitely not 'abandon ware' IMO.
Sorry, i think you misunderstood my comment - i wasn't really clear, i'm talking about expectations, nothing else. With the OASYS, people expected continued development of this workstation because of the nature of the "open-architecture" design. The M3 was sold without any apparent plans for new development. I wasn't commenting on their follow-through with this workstation or with the M3. While Korg released an extremely generous patch for the M3, they never gave their customers any reason to expect the 2.0 patch, or made any promise for a future OS update. They're advertisements never said anything more than "Hey look, here's an M3. It's pretty cool. You should buy it." With the OASYS, they may not have said it directly, but many people had good reason to expect future OS updates. Please understand I wasn't trying to start anything with the OASYS crowd ... just trying to point out how the M3 was marketed as a completed product that coincidentally was upgraded.
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I agree with you and things went better for M3 owners than they did Oasys owners. My Oasys is moving along so I am no defender of it or Korg :-)
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