Where is the Kronos Editor and Plug-In Editor?

[MRedZac]

OK, I'll bite.

The Editor is merely an addition to the synth. It doesn't stop you from working with the machine, nor does it render the machine useless.


TOTALLY incomparable to a satnav, as that would be like comparing the Kronos without ANY engines.

The editor will appear when it does. Simple.

This is beginning to get tiresome.

Bullshit. It´s not a question of "render the machine useless" or not, it´s a question of principles. And by the way, I wasn´t comparing the Kronos with the satnav, but with the car, where the satnav inside is not working, while the car itself is driving fine (sorry, but I can't resist: seems, that even to read my posts it is needed at least a basic kind of intelligence to understand it)...
I bought a synth, advertised with "perfect integration to any DAW by editor" and I got a synth without any of that. So I paid for something, which in fact was not delivered at all.
It doesn´t matter if the synth by itself is working fine or not - still it is missing some promised functionality and to me, this is causing a measureable damage: Even if I can control some of its parameters by sysexes and midi cc´s, I loose a lot of time while working with it that way (The need to read paramter guide for every little sysex command, working in list editor for the cc´s, no total recal, etc.). And time for me while working is absolutely bargain money. As easy as that.

More than this, Korg is still doing its advertising like before, but in fact they just build castles in the air ! And what is annoying the most are these delaying tactics without any clear statements at all.

So if this does not affect you, then fine for you, but to me that sucks ! - Tiresome or not.

[SeedyLee]

Whilst I'm as annoyed as anyone that the promised editor has not been released, I've come to realise that the editor really isn't essential for music making with the Kronos and a DAW.

After spending some time working out how to get the most from my DAW and the Kronos, I have a very comfortable workflow. Yes, I still need to make changes via the Kronos, but the Kronos has a gorgeous 8" screen that begs to be used. Changes are very fast and easy to make. Think of it this way: using the Kronos to edit sounds it's just like having a dedicated monitor just for the VST editor

The main reason I was hanging out for the editor was to solve the issue of "total recall" - getting the synth into the same state each time I work with a track. But through use of Continuous Controllers, Program Change messages and Combis, I have achieved exactly yhis without the use of the editor. And it's easy to achieve.

So I've spent much less time reading this thread and bitching, and much more time making music - which would you rather be doing?

[DrpC]

Hi, blinkofanI. I could be wrong (hope not ), but I believe the picture is ONLY a screenshot of the " Plug-in Editor ". There is a standalone Editor coming as well if I clearly understand the following from Korg's website:

Kronos Editor and Plug-In Editor
Kronos Version 1.5 adds support for the Kronos Editor and Plug-In Editor, which allows the editing and organizing sounds from a Mac OS X or Windows computer. Plug-in operation allows you to save settings as part of your project with any VST-compatible Windows software, or any VST- or AU-compatible software on Mac OS X. The Kronos Editor and Plug-In Editor will be available at a later date.


I personally don't have a VST-compatible software (that I know of), so the Kronos Editor (standalone) will do just fine for me.

Hope this helps

Is it me that doesn't get what the plugin editor will do? People are talking about ASIO... From what i understand, the plugin editor will be just that, an editor for the Kronos in VST or AU format so you can edit inside your DAW. No audio will go through that. It will bring nothing you can't do right now in Logic or Cubase with the Kronos connected with a MIDI interface, and then the Kronos audio outs connected to your audio interface audio ins.

I could understand if the Kronos had a 2x16 LCD display. But an editor will only allow you to do all you do right now on the Kronos display, only directly on the computer screen with your mouse(or magic trackpad in my case), inside your DAW session.

Now, if the plugin Editor will permit to edit a program while in Combi Mode, with the program's GUI for each timbre, now i will be impressed.

So, if i didn't get it, fix me straigth right now

Blink

[ScoobyDoo555]

Wow!! That must have REALLY upset you to edit it 8 times.

And then to start with swearing at me - classy, and says more about you than it does me.

My discrediting your analogy still stands and your sarcastic explanation still justifies the same (take the time to read YOUR comment).
A car with a Satnav, that the company hasn't provided the maps for (yet) will STILL work and drive perfectly normally.
Same principle applies to the sat nav (my mistake for misinterpreting your English - in my defence, I was actually in my studio playing with Kronos) and the car scenario.
The only link is that in both the fictitious case of the car and the real-world Kronos, is that we're waiting on software.

Listen, I *do* get where you're coming from in principle. I really do. I argue that in the grand scheme of things, the lack of software does NOT stop you from using the machine nor making music, which IMHO is the important thing.
I don't know a single rational person who would spend £3K on a synth on the basis that some software comes with it. FFS, get a grip. The software is a freebie/added bonus.

ANYBODY, and I'm sure you'll agree, who isn't making music with Kronos because they're waiting for the software, tbh, has bigger issues than the lack of supplied product, and should be asking themselves a lot of questions about why they're hiding behind this issue rather than creating music.

Now in case this last comment gets lost in translation, I'm in no way directing it at you (although I don't know you, to be fair, so that will be my caveat) nor anybody in particular, but looking through the various forums, there is a trend....

And now on THIS forum, we're looking at 12 pages with 168 comments!!!! What an awful lot of creative time wasted.

And I still stand by my comment - the editor will arrive when it arrives. I can still sequence (in fact I've done 1.5 (!) albums and a TV theme with it since last June). Does it fully integrate into my system yet? No. But personally, I've got enough experience in studios and production to not let it bother me - I work around the issue and carry on.
Yes, there's aspects that will be made easier when the software arrives, and will speed up my work-flow.......

But I will leave you with this final comment (therefore any replies will not be replied to - I'm done with this thread) -

"If my Aunty had a set of balls, she'd be my Uncle" - for me this sums up the editor: if we had it, then great. But we don't, so deal with it.

Dan
*edited to add a few spaces! *

DEFINITION of software = in this case, the Editor/Plugin, NOT Kronos OS

OK, I'll bite.

The Editor is merely an addition to the synth. It doesn't stop you from working with the machine, nor does it render the machine useless.


TOTALLY incomparable to a satnav, as that would be like comparing the Kronos without ANY engines.

The editor will appear when it does. Simple.

This is beginning to get tiresome.

Bullshit. It´s not a question of "render the machine useless" or not, it´s a question of principles. And by the way, I wasn´t comparing the Kronos with the satnav, but with the car, where the satnav inside is not working, while the car itself is driving fine (sorry, but I can't resist: seems, that even to read my posts it is needed at least a basic kind of intelligence to understand it)...
I bought a synth, advertised with "perfect integration to any DAW by editor" and I got a synth without any of that. So I paid for something, which in fact was not delivered at all.
It doesn´t matter if the synth by itself is working fine or not - still it is missing some promised functionality and to me, this is causing a measureable damage: Even if I can control some of its parameters by sysexes and midi cc´s, I loose a lot of time while working with it that way (The need to read paramter guide for every little sysex command, working in list editor for the cc´s, no total recal, etc.). And time for me while working is absolutely bargain money. As easy as that.

More than this, Korg is still doing its advertising like before, but in fact they just build castles in the air ! And what is annoying the most are these delaying tactics without any clear statements at all.

So if this does not affect you, then fine for you, but to me that sucks ! - Tiresome or not.

[jimknopf]

I don't think our disagreeing views on something not delivered half a year after buying it (the editor was part of the original package and no separate addon anytime anyhow: you are just plain wrong on this, ScoobyDoo) should end in a situation, where Korg users quarrel with each other in such a sharp way.

If the VSTi does not offer an Asio driver, but the Kronos USB connection without proper Asio driver is still needed for it to work, the VSTi wouldn't be of much use for PC-users anyway (unless someone is willing to record with high latency values, which I definitely won't even consider for a minute).

So I begin looking for solutions like SeedyLee described them.

@SeedyLee:
Total recall is exactly one of my main concerns. Perhaps you could open a thread decribing your sequencer workflow and naming the most important CCs etc. which you use.
I had hoped that the heavily overdue plugin would make such considerations obsolete, but as far as I understand the state of things, we won't see it with a useable Asio driver for PC platforms, like it is standard for this kind of PC plugins with other hardware providing such a VSTi.

[SeedyLee]

I don't know a single rational person who would spend £3K on a synth on the basis that some software comes with it. FFS, get a grip. The software is a freebie/added bonus.

I'm probably completely derailing the conversation here, but as an aside I think the attitude of hardware manufacturers that software is a bonus is a prevelant but perilous one.

In the case of the Kronos, the main reason I bought the thing is because of the (excellent) software it runs: all those synth engines and effects are software.

Too many times I've bought devices where the "bundled" driver/PC companion software has been so useless that the hardware itself becomes useless and unusable. Granted, this is not the case with the Kronos, but it's the same fundamental attitude.

I don't have the EULA for the Kronos software here, but I think it even says something along the lines that the software is not guaranteed to be free of defects and is not guaranteed to be suitable for any particular task. At what point will this distinction between hardware and software come to an end? In modern products, hardware and software are both equally important and both need to be warranted to be free from defects and suitable for the use with which they're sold.

[Ojustaboo]

I don't know a single rational person who would spend £3K on a synth on the basis that some software comes with it. FFS, get a grip. The software is a freebie/added bonus.

Sorry, I think you are wrong with that statement.

The Software was not a freebie/addon, it was advertised as part of the package.

Just because you, I or even if 99.9% of other Kronos owners don't see the software supplied with it as a major reason for buying it, does not mean that the .1% that do, that are used to working in that way, in a way that WAS advertised are in any way shape or form wrong or that they need to get a grip.

Just because you or I might work in a certain way does not mean everyone else has to conform to the same workflow nor does it make them wrong for doing so.

They also have every right to complain that a feature that was a major part of them parting with their cash, is still not there 6 months later, without constant ridicule from others that aren't bothered about it.

[NavidSyed]

Sorry, I think you are wrong with that statement.

The Software was not a freebie/addon, it was advertised as part of the package.

Just because you or I might work in a certain way does not mean everyone else has to conform to the same workflow nor does it make them wrong for doing so.

They also have every right to complain that a feature that was a major part of them parting with their cash, is still not there 6 months later, without constant ridicule from others that aren't bothered about it.

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[Sparker]

I may be wrong (Korg may be bringing out a voice controlled editor that 'intuitively' understands what you want to do) but even with the editor you are going to have to learn what parameters all those switches and sliders will control on the interface (and maybe more if programme editing within combis is possible).

That's the thing with increased functionality - more learning and application of brain cells. For instance, if you buy the KARMA software you soon discover that understanding and creating combis and soundsets gets a LOT more complicated even if the interface control becomes easier.

If the editor is exactly the same as the Kronos's hardware and screen interface then it will just be the difference between whether you use the touchscreen and drop down menu or whether you use a mouse to do exactly the same thing. You will still need to jump between the editing pages and tabs - just with a mouse instead of a finger - plus you will have to do the 'save to editor & then transfer to keyboard' routine.

Maybe Korg jumped the gun by announcing the editor and plug-in before it was ready but are people really saying they would not have bought the Kronos if it didn't have an editor?
If so how come the Tritons sold so many when they didn't have editors - (although of course there is the excellent 'PCTools')

I think a sense of perspective is needed here - otherwise I suggest that those complaining about the late release of the software editor should either send their Kronos back or maybe read the 'small print' (subject to change) legalese regarding the software that has been on the Korg web-page since it came out.

BTW - I agree that if it's going to have an ASIO driver then it should work properly with minimal latency - I've had other ASIO drivers for hardware that are usless when it comes to recording audio.

I'm in the camp of 'get it right first time' - always a winner for me.

[Sparker]

From Korg web-site:

This is what is coming:
"Computer Connectivity
KRONOS can send MIDI signals to and from your computer via USB. Using the KRONOS Editor software (free download), sounds and settings can be edited directly from your computer. The KRONOS Plug-in Editor (free download) lets you use KRONOS from within many popular DAW systems, as if it were a plug-in instrument. KRONOS can also be used as an audio I/O for your computer, sending and receiving two channels of audio via USB. In a music production system using your KRONOS and a computer, there is no need to purchase any additional hardware, creating the simplest possible set-up".

This is when it's coming:
"Appearance and specifications of this product are subject to change without notice".

Appearance could mean either what it looks like; or when it will appear

Be Virtuous

[blinkofanI]

At the risk of sounding stubborn, ASIO has nothing to do with the plugin Editor of the Kronos. People seem to think that they need that piece of software to be able to work with a DAW.

Look at all the Korg products in recent years that featured plugin editors. They all came with a.... USB MIDI interface!!! The M50, X50, MicroStation... their USB connectors are MIDI-only, no audio transmission of anything.

Blink

[padking]

This is business, if you advertise you deliver
period.

Padking

[ScoobyDoo555]

Sorry, I think you are wrong with that statement.

The Software was not a freebie/addon, it was advertised as part of the package.

Just because you, I or even if 99.9% of other Kronos owners don't see the software supplied with it as a major reason for buying it, does not mean that the .1% that do, that are used to working in that way, in a way that WAS advertised are in any way shape or form wrong or that they need to get a grip.

Just because you or I might work in a certain way does not mean everyone else has to conform to the same workflow nor does it make them wrong for doing so.

They also have every right to complain that a feature that was a major part of them parting with their cash, is still not there 6 months later, without constant ridicule from others that aren't bothered about it.

I lied about not replying - but this will be my last post.
I read all associated software with keyboards as free. I didn't buy a Kronos for the software - I bought it for the machine.
When the Editor is available, if you don't own a Kronos, you will still be able to download it, therefore Korg (presumably) see it as free.

I would challenge the notion that a £3K purchase was based on a piece of associated software! (hence my "get a grip" comment)

I've seen this 99.9% comment before, and it doesn't ring true tbh. Other synths have been promised upgrades etc that the 0.1% want, but the bigger numbers always have it (rightly or wrongly) - there was even a thread about it on these forums (something about distinctive keyboards for the masses IIRC). Any company will deal with the bigger numbers as a priority. Hence their comment about "subject to change".

The rest of my post and sentiment still stands - whilst it will hopefully increase work-flow, the lack of editor/plug doesn't stop you from enjoying a truly wonderful machine - and this is where some perspective is required.
You can "gang up" on my opinion all you like - it won't change my mind.

As for "constant ridicule", I haven't actually witnessed this, but the subject IS getting be done to death, with no other way forward. Until Korg release this software (and it better bl00dy work!!! ), we're (all) stuck.

Perhaps it's time to lock the thread?

[Sparker]

blinkofanI: Korg are advertising the Kronos as being ASIO capable when the editor is released.

Of course you are correct about it being a midi interface and it already works perfectly well as such ... I'm assuming that the editor will contain or have attached some software that will enable the Kronos's sound output/inputs to be used as a Audio soundcard ... at least that's what the blurb on Korg's US & UK website says ...

[Sparker]

This is business, if you advertise you deliver
period.

Padking

Please tell that to the banks, insurance companies, retailers, political parties, estate agents, holiday firms, etc, etc, etc ...