Updates manual from korg with sampler info

[Poumtschak]

Interesting that stereo samples can only be on odd numbered parts, otherwise they will be converted to mono if used on even numbered parts.

Indeed.
This could mean that stereo samples are spanned over 2 parts, hard-panned, phase locked and all parameters being shared, most likely.

TIP No memory card is included in this system. Please purchase it separately to take advantage of this feature.

That ruins my electribe2 Expanded* fanboy scenario.

* The OS 2.0 + extra soundbanks for the (2009) M3 series were provided on a 1GB USB stick, making the unit an "Expanded" one. "Expanded" soundbanks can be loaded at boot, depending on RAM available.

[Re-Member]

A unified user manual seems like a throwback to the days when you'd get 2 or more units in one printed doc. It was to save paper. We're in a PDF world.

The new Electribe still comes with at least one printed User manual though. Like I said earlier, it looks like it's been updated so that the one basic manual can be packaged with either unit, sort of like what Roland did with the 8000/8080. Both units got the same manual, but had slightly different features.

I totally agree with ghostly606, it just doesn't make sense to release and market two different products, but then have them do the same exact thing. It would essentially mean that a store will end up ordering just one version to keep in stock, but not the other since it will be made redundant. Korg want's people to buy both just like they did with ESX series, otherwise it would have been pointless to have even manufactured the Sampling version. Store have had the sampling version ordered for months now and there's been no cancellation.

All of this is based on one guy's rumor anyway whom really shouldn't have opened his mouth about it to begin with. It has created expectations which seem very unrealistic from a business point of view.

[roblabs]

I agree with you, Re-Member. This all seems like wishful thinking, really. We need to wait for the Parameter Guide and I think that will clear up a lot of questions.

[Ted3000]

I totally agree with ghostly606, it just doesn't make sense to release and market two different products, but then have them do the same exact thing.

You're probably right. It's possible I'm interpreting the manual's Engrish and Korg's odd vision for this line as evidence that I'll be getting a sampler-in-a-firmware-update. Time will tell.

Here's where I wonder: The electribe sampler is basically an e2, minus some filter models. It also trades the bank of PCM samples for the samples you put in there. Everything else seems the same - sequencer, synthesis, effects. Hell, if you sampled all the PCM from the e2, you'd have an e2 with less filter options. That might serve you fine!

I'm not sure this confusion and speculation is our fault. Korg released 2 products that are virtually physically identical, 100% identical internally, which can both do most of the same stuff. The differences are about as far apart as the 2 color schemes.

Now they release a unified manual with some poorly phrased language suggesting cross-functionality.

Holy Overlap, Batman!

[roblabs]

I hear what you're saying, too, Ted3000. Its really about a poorly worded manual (lost in translation??) for an already confusing situation.

Regarding the identical layout, that's something I've wondered about, too. Very strange that they chose an *exact* same layout for both units. Compare this with the esx/emx, where they had the same general layout but there were a few differences between the too. Or take the example of the KPro and KP3 - same exact button layout, but Korg has different wording for the functions, which of course makes sense.

But now with the electribe2/electribe sampler2....wow, the only thing I can really think to justify this is to cut production costs down.

[roblabs]

(by the way, whats the latest date given for the sampler release?)

[Ted3000]

I'm seeing May 15 (or just May) on a few US gear sites. Probably not a bad guess.

[NickZoll]

I think it's not fair. I mean both units have the same price but one has more filter types and another has sampler functionality that is not equal.

[Re-Member]

I think it's not fair. I mean both units have the same price but one has more filter types and another has sampler functionality that is not equal.

The same could be said about the EMX and ESX.

[NickZoll]

I think it's not fair. I mean both units have the same price but one has more filter types and another has sampler functionality that is not equal.

The same could be said about the EMX and ESX.

I have only EMX but suppose analog modelling part is not the same in EMX and ESX. I supposed es2 would be reduced in terms of analog modelling copmare to e2, just basic waveforms. But now it looks like it's just a question of filters

[ghostly606]

Reading the manual again though, both the original and updated version including the sample really are hopeless though. Definitely deserving of a more comprehensive manual each.

[Hugo]

Everything must be saved on power down, or else the samples are lost... Bummer.

[jbl]

^which begs the question; is it 270secs playback or total?

Also the manual says 499 samples but the website says 999.

[Re-Member]

I think it's not fair. I mean both units have the same price but one has more filter types and another has sampler functionality that is not equal.

The same could be said about the EMX and ESX.

I have only EMX but suppose analog modelling part is not the same in EMX and ESX. I supposed es2 would be reduced in terms of analog modelling copmare to e2, just basic waveforms. But now it looks like it's just a question of filters

To make things even more confusing for all of us here, , the manual actually doesn't state anything about the Sampler version not having the same filters as the standard E2, haha. If you look on page five, all three filter types say the following:
"Pressing the button repeatedly allows you to change type of the filter."
If the Sampler version didn't have those extra filter types, it should have been mentioned right there.

Considering that most people here are reporting how those extra modeled filter types are eating up additional voices on the E2 anyway, I guess I can agree with that being a little unfair if the only difference between the two units is simply that. I'd say that having sampling would be a better trade off if I had to chose just one.

[NickZoll]

To make things even more confusing for all of us here, , the manual actually doesn't state anything about the Sampler version not having the same filters as the standard E2, haha.

in this case I don't understand the reason why they released e2. if all of these suggestions is true as an e2 owner i feel cheated by Korg. i purchaised e2 because it supposed to have more va features compare to es2 but it seems like es2 has the same features as e2 + sampling for the same price just because e2 was released earlier? they released minikp2s and kaossilator s with the same price as original units without any update for previous versions, they could do the same with e2. hope this is not true.