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jbl wrote: 4. How can the es2 NOT have time stretching? Think about it! If it doesn't, then how are you going to play it like a keyboard? Which we KNOW we can do with pcm samples on the emx2.

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It's called pitch shifting.. You know changing the speed of a sample to alter it's rate/pitch. Like when you speed up a record player by changing it from 33 to 45 and getting higher pitch vocals.

Timestretch is changing the pitch WITHOUT changing the speed, very useful when sampling lager phrases and such. Mistabishi posted saying that the Esx2 does NOT have timestretch..

jbl wrote: 2. So far, everything is heresay. Nobody knows if it's 270 sec. Per pattern or total, for example.

The product page says so.

Thanks for the suggestions on units. I'll look into them. Hopefully, they're just as compact.

Buska wrote:

jbl wrote: 4. How can the es2 NOT have time stretching? Think about it! If it doesn't, then how are you going to play it like a keyboard? Which we KNOW we can do with pcm samples on the emx2.

??

It's called pitch shifting.. You know changing the speed of a sample to alter it's rate/pitch. Like when you speed up a record player by changing it from 33 to 45 and getting higher pitch vocals.

Timestretch is changing the pitch WITHOUT changing the speed, very useful when sampling lager phrases and such. Mistabishi posted saying that the Esx2 does NOT have timestretch..

Pfffft, bloody rubbish. My S1000 has time stretch and that only cost £6000.

Frenzies wrote:

Buska wrote:

jbl wrote: 4. How can the es2 NOT have time stretching? Think about it! If it doesn't, then how are you going to play it like a keyboard? Which we KNOW we can do with pcm samples on the emx2.

??

It's called pitch shifting.. You know changing the speed of a sample to alter it's rate/pitch. Like when you speed up a record player by changing it from 33 to 45 and getting higher pitch vocals.

Timestretch is changing the pitch WITHOUT changing the speed, very useful when sampling lager phrases and such. Mistabishi posted saying that the Esx2 does NOT have timestretch..

Pfffft, bloody rubbish. My S1000 has time stretch and that only cost £6000.

Haha I bought a S1100 for $200 a few years ago

ok, ok, so it doesn't have pitch adjust time stretching. Whatever. There are so many ways to get crappy sounding pitch adjust time stretching (like on the microsampler, for example).

As for the 270 secs., I know that's on the korg spec. sheet. What nobody actually knows is, if that 270 secs. is per pattern or total ram.
either way, there simply must be a way to load programs on the fly. It would be just plain stupid on Korgs part to give us a 32 gb sd card limit and not allow us to have backup sounds, banks, etc...
In that sense, nobody knows how the final sample structure will work.

Frenzies wrote:

Buska wrote:

jbl wrote: 4. How can the es2 NOT have time stretching? Think about it! If it doesn't, then how are you going to play it like a keyboard? Which we KNOW we can do with pcm samples on the emx2.

??

It's called pitch shifting.. You know changing the speed of a sample to alter it's rate/pitch. Like when you speed up a record player by changing it from 33 to 45 and getting higher pitch vocals.

Timestretch is changing the pitch WITHOUT changing the speed, very useful when sampling lager phrases and such. Mistabishi posted saying that the Esx2 does NOT have timestretch..

Pfffft, bloody rubbish. My S1000 has time stretch and that only cost £6000.

good lord frenzies! you could start a small studio for that amount.

jbl wrote:

Frenzies wrote:

Buska wrote: ??

It's called pitch shifting.. You know changing the speed of a sample to alter it's rate/pitch. Like when you speed up a record player by changing it from 33 to 45 and getting higher pitch vocals.

Timestretch is changing the pitch WITHOUT changing the speed, very useful when sampling lager phrases and such. Mistabishi posted saying that the Esx2 does NOT have timestretch..

Pfffft, bloody rubbish. My S1000 has time stretch and that only cost £6000.

good lord frenzies! you could start a small studio for that amount.

He would of bought it a long time ago, when samplers were big and damn expensive

jbl wrote:ok, ok, so it doesn't have pitch adjust time stretching. Whatever. There are so many ways to get crappy sounding pitch adjust time stretching (like on the microsampler, for example).

jbl wrote:ok, ok, so it doesn't have pitch adjust time stretching. Whatever. There are so many ways to get crappy sounding pitch adjust time stretching (like on the microsampler, for example).

As for the 270 secs., I know that's on the korg spec. sheet. What nobody actually knows is, if that 270 secs. is per pattern or total ram.
either way, there simply must be a way to load programs on the fly. It would be just plain stupid on Korgs part to give us a 32 gb sd card limit and not allow us to have backup sounds, banks, etc...
In that sense, nobody knows how the final sample structure will work.

jbl wrote:As for the 270 secs., I know that's on the korg spec. sheet. What nobody actually knows is, if that 270 secs. is per pattern or total ram.
either way, there simply must be a way to load programs on the fly. It would be just plain stupid on Korgs part to give us a 32 gb sd card limit and not allow us to have backup sounds, banks, etc.

I wouldn't take that Mistabishi guys word as being final with the lack of time stretching. I recall hearing him say that there was no way to chain patterns on one of his E2 demos when there clearly is using the Event Recorder. So far none of the Korg reps have even touched upon that feature.

Also, I wouldn't don't leave out the possibility of being able to load in samples at different rates to increase amount of time per sample. ESX-1 SD allowed for this, plus the microSAMPLER even allowed you to change the rates for recording:

48kHz = 160 seconds
24kHz = 320 seconds
12kHz = 640 seconds
6kHz = 1280 seconds

Sure, it got gritter and gritter with each downgrade, but that's the short of charm to these budget samplers. I always had mine at 24kHz, which didn't sound too bad.

But eh, nothing is set in stone until there's a manual saying otherwise.

well, i don't use time stretch bc it tends to always warble and i really dislike that sound. I'll either use the pitch lock on my turntable, work around the sample or just throw it out.

imho, unless you have something like melodyne, "time-stretching" sounds awful. now some old samplers like the s1000, s20, vp-9000 etc... can give the pitch locked time stretched sample a pretty good sound. but most modern samplers time stretch is bad sounding, i think.

and the ms-1 does have it, so maybe they'll incorporate it on esx2 for those who like that function.

jbl wrote:well, i don't use time stretch bc it tends to always warble and i really dislike that sound. I'll either use the pitch lock on my turntable, work around the sample or just throw it out.

imho, unless you have something like melodyne, "time-stretching" sounds awful. now some old samplers like the s1000, s20, vp-9000 etc... can give the pitch locked time stretched sample a pretty good sound. but most modern samplers time stretch is bad sounding, i think.

and the ms-1 does have it, so maybe they'll incorporate it on esx2 for those who like that function.

I agree completely. Timestretch is very hit and miss.
I have a vp9000 that I will be using with the esx2 anyway. I had a s20 but don't think it had timestretch but could be mistaken. I personally think it's a good feature to have if used in moderation but I also agree it's not a big deal not to have it.

Dj shadow made endtroducing without timestretch and that is a masterpiece so...

For reference, check out what the Analog Rytm can do with just one sample:
https://soundcloud.com/elektronauts/ar- ... t-a-device

That's a song built from eight tracks, all of them using the Analog Rytm's own engine to create something with a vocal sample.

So if you're looking for options, that's one way to go.

Pricey, though.

But a lot of people use it more and more for its sample playback capabilities.

circuitghost wrote:For reference, check out what the Analog Rytm can do with just one sample:
https://soundcloud.com/elektronauts/ar- ... t-a-device

That's a song built from eight tracks, all of them using the Analog Rytm's own engine to create something with a vocal sample.

So if you're looking for options, that's one way to go.

Pricey, though.

But a lot of people use it more and more for its sample playback capabilities.

Want an octatrack and analog rhythm really bad, but I just can't justify them. One day

Buska wrote:

circuitghost wrote:For reference, check out what the Analog Rytm can do with just one sample:
https://soundcloud.com/elektronauts/ar- ... t-a-device

That's a song built from eight tracks, all of them using the Analog Rytm's own engine to create something with a vocal sample.

So if you're looking for options, that's one way to go.

Pricey, though.

But a lot of people use it more and more for its sample playback capabilities.

Want an octatrack and analog rhythm really bad, but I just can't justify them. One day

I've owned an Octatrack for about a year. It's my one instrument I'd keep if I had to get rid of everything else.

It's a strange little beast, and certainly not a sampler to me, just something that can sample, play back samples really well and do cool things with samples. But I'd be selling it short if I described it as such, so I won't.

circuitghost wrote:

Buska wrote:

circuitghost wrote:For reference, check out what the Analog Rytm can do with just one sample:
https://soundcloud.com/elektronauts/ar- ... t-a-device

That's a song built from eight tracks, all of them using the Analog Rytm's own engine to create something with a vocal sample.

So if you're looking for options, that's one way to go.

Pricey, though.

But a lot of people use it more and more for its sample playback capabilities.

Want an octatrack and analog rhythm really bad, but I just can't justify them. One day

I've owned an Octatrack for about a year. It's my one instrument I'd keep if I had to get rid of everything else.

It's a strange little beast, and certainly not a sampler to me, just something that can sample, play back samples really well and do cool things with samples. But I'd be selling it short if I described it as such, so I won't.

Yeah octatrack is first on my elektron list. I've watched soo many videos and lurked the elektron forum since it's unveiling. I've watched the tutorials and read the manual. I nearly bought one new a year ago but had too many other things going on to spend my money on it. But like I said, one day it will be mine

I saw one for sale locally for $1200 the other day but by the time I called it was already sold