KLC-2; What should it include?

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:09 pm

MS2000/MicroKorg has nothing to do with the Radias. Besides sharing the same market. They are not related.

Radias is pretty cool too though. It's one of my favourite synths. Personally though, I find it doesn't have any particularly unique characteristics. It's just it's feature-richness that makes it so awesome. So I wouldn't be too bothered about a software version except to make my patches more portable.. Seems unlikely as it's too new anyway.

MS2000 and MicroKorg were made in the early 2000s however to commemorate the MS20, and whilst not really sounding like an MS20, they do have a certain charm and definitely a unique sometimes aggressive sound character.

Stipes Vigilo · Post by **Stipes Vigilo** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:09 am

X-Trade wrote:MS2000/MicroKorg has nothing to do with the Radias. Besides sharing the same market. They are not related.
Radias is pretty cool too though. It's one of my favourite synths. Personally though, I find it doesn't have any particularly unique characteristics. It's just it's feature-richness that makes it so awesome. So I wouldn't be too bothered about a software version except to make my patches more portable.. Seems unlikely as it's too new anyway.
MS2000 and MicroKorg were made in the early 2000s however to commemorate the MS20, and whilst not really sounding like an MS20, they do have a certain charm and definitely a unique sometimes aggressive sound character.

I never owned the MS2000/Microkorg, I have played them a couple of times but not enough to make any comparison.
For me, the Radias is unique in the formant synthesis. That's where I hear a different character from other synths doing the same thing. The other thing about Radias is that it is already software to begin with so including it would be something easy for Korg. It's true, that the three versions are different in capabilities with the hardware having the greatest range, but the one in my wife's M3 has an excellent sound (and I think it is the same as the one in the Oasys). The R3, I've never had the chance to use the editor, but I don't like the R3 as a standalone piece of hardware. You're right though that it is still relatively new and they're still making the R3? Which means we would at least have to wait for them to discontinue it before we could hope to see one.

The MOSS and the Z1 sound different to me. Moss sounds heavier and Z1 sounds more cutting to me.

I'm still thinking my top three would be:
1. N1 Legacy
2. Moss/Z1 Legacy
3. Radias

I'd jump on those pretty quick if they released them.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:10 am

But it won't happen, I'm almost positively sure about it.

Radias is too new to be "legacy", N1 doesn't bring much new stuff from M1 except new PCM data (and resonant filter, which M1 legacy already has), and Z1 code is lost and undocumented and the person who wrote it died.

Also, Radias is not found in OASYS at all.

gennargiu · Post by **gennargiu** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:13 pm

series ps 3100,3200,3300 synths and series dw 8000/6000 + z1

Stipes Vigilo · Post by **Stipes Vigilo** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:41 pm

EvilDragon wrote:But it won't happen, I'm almost positively sure about it. Radias is too new to be "legacy", N1 doesn't bring much new stuff from M1 except new PCM data (and resonant filter, which M1 legacy already has), and Z1 code is lost and undocumented and the person who wrote it died.

Also, Radias is not found in OASYS at all.

I agree with you on those points. N1 would be more about bringing the post M1/T libraries into play more than anything else. You think about it, it would basically add only a few MB in samples/patches and an improved arpegiator.

Radias, I only remember as something they had mentioned for Oasys at one point, but never actually saw (And I only got to play one Oasys at a store so my memory of it is nothing to rely on).

I still think some version of these would be good though. Radias would lack the vocoder section, (and maybe the drums) but it still is a great and viable formant synth above the rest of their line. And like I said, the software is already developed there, so it should be a no-brainer-of-little-effort on their part.

I think we all want some form of MOSS.
And on the subject of drums, if the Radias lack that part, what about some form of soft electribe legacy?

So I still stick with those three.
I'm still interested in what you would want EvilDragon?
You still haven't offered your desires of what KLC2 would include.

jorgemncardoso · Post by **jorgemncardoso** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:52 pm

It's curious that a lot of you guys mention the N1 but almost no one mention the 01/W. The N series and X series where and always will be budget cutdown versions of the 01/W series with inferior sound quality and dac's. If they where to put out a vst from the AI2 synthesis series it sould be a 01/W engine with all the 01/W sounds and features plus all the additional sounds of the N series, the arpegiator, and a good resonance filter.
The Z1, Trinity and Triton classic would also be great

Crystalmsc · Post by **Crystalmsc** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:02 pm

jorgemncardoso wrote:It's curious that a lot of you guys mention the N1 but almost no one mention the 01/W. The N series and X series where and always will be budget cutdown versions of the 01/W series with inferior sound quality and dac's. If they where to put out a vst from the AI2 synthesis series it sould be a 01/W engine with all the 01/W sounds and features plus all the additional sounds of the N series, the arpegiator, and a good resonance filter.

that's why I keep on waiting for the 01/W Legacy. also for the wave shaping feature.

jorgemncardoso wrote:The Z1, Trinity and Triton classic would also be great

always dream about having the Triton Extreme in my vst folder

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:26 pm

Stipes Vigilo wrote:I'm still interested in what you would want EvilDragon?
You still haven't offered your desires of what KLC2 would include.

Doesn't really matter, because KLC 2 won't happen.

Stipes Vigilo · Post by **Stipes Vigilo** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:14 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Stipes Vigilo wrote:I'm still interested in what you would want EvilDragon?
You still haven't offered your desires of what KLC2 would include.
Doesn't really matter, because KLC 2 won't happen.

Well, definitely not with that attitude.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:01 pm

Wishful thinking won't get you far.

Korg will keep focusing on producing hardware because hardware cannot be pirated.

Stipes Vigilo · Post by **Stipes Vigilo** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:01 pm

EvilDragon wrote:Wishful thinking won't get you far.

Korg will keep focusing on producing hardware because hardware cannot be pirated.

Neither will a lack of imagination.

Korg has also told me a few times they have no intention of making rack versions again.
I think it has less to do with pirating and more to do with projectable profits.
And if that is the case, they can still increase the legacy engine/libraries to include the O & N series.
And reap a profit from it too.

Like I said, Radias is a no brainer in software, but I agree it is still far off before they find it unprofitable enough as hardware before they do it.
Threads like this do get some of us to consider the other VSTi as the best replacement of them.
So MOSS, as much as most of us would love to have it, probably will never be.
That leaves the imagination to ponder what else is close to it from other developers?