How to set up 2 measure click track:Drummer driving me crazy

[ronnfigg]

I've not ventured into Karma or sequencing, but I'm sure this can be done. My drummer & lead guitarist are driving me crazy. They can't seem to count in a song at the right tempo. The guitarist counts off and the drummer follows his count, but it never seems to be the right tempo and we're speeding up or slowing down after 6 or so measures into the song.

I'd like to create a 2 or 4 measure click track for each song, at the agreed upon tempo so when we start a song, I trigger the click, it goes for 2 or 4 measures (through our monitors) so we have the right tempo off the bat. But I don't want to run throughout the song.

How can I do that so I become the keeper for the agreed upon tempo for each song?

Thank you in advance.
G

have the drummer by a freaking metronome and do his job! and never rely on a guitar player for the right tempo. they always want to play everything too fast!

[ed_f]

Drummer needs a Boss Dr. Beat DB-90. It has digital pendulum and blinking light for silent tempo reference. It's his/her responsibility in my opinion.

This. Speaking as a drummer myself, you shouldn't have to rely on the keyboardist to get the proper tempo (unless you are playing to sequences). He should have a list of tempo numbers for each song and be able to punch them into the Dr Beat. After about 3-4 gigs, those tempos will get locked into his brain and it'll all become second nature. All he needs to do is let the click run for 4 measures or so to get into the groove of the song and he can turn it off if he wants. The Boss stuff you can hook up a footswitch to do just that.

True that.

It should be the drummer's job. Then again, most drummers are more interested in the chicks and where the next beer is coming from... it always seems to fall to the keyboardist to be the "responsible one" with regards to conducting the sound - even if you usually can't hear him/her.

just LOL

[NJkeysman888]

Actually it's the Lead Guitarist who causes much or the issues. He is one of the two defacto leaders of the band. He counts in the song, but I swear he counts it in differently each time. Then after a few measures he may signal speed up or slow down or whatever. For some reason he doesn't trust the drummer to do the right tempo. So by being the "beat keeper" I get all of them to agree on a tempo in rehearsal and then no disagreements.

I have started making combis for each song. Actually I have a generic one of each type, but I often have to modify them per song because of the 61 keys. For instance I want to play octaves in my left hand on a particular song, but I dont' have the room. So I layer another piano, transpose it -12 and then keep that key zone to the area where I don't have room for my left pinkie. So then I get octaves using one finger on my left had in those spots on those songs. If I sometimes need to play a single note in that range then I use key velocity so that I'm only getting octaves on the harder strikes.

For this and other reasons I have started making a combi per song. And I get to tailor the effects per song too. For a new song, I just copy one similar, tweak it slightly (getting pretty good at it) and save it new. Then on set lists its just a matter of copying and pasting or inserting to create my set list for the night. So I move from song to song and have a set list right in front of me.

So all in all, I'm enjoying the Kronos immensely but learning all the time too.

Thanks for all the discussion!

[levioter]

Hi,
In IMHO and as a drummer myself it is the drummer responsibility to handle the tempo and to give the first cliks to the other members of the band.
He should have to note for each every track the tempo signature and related tempo speed.
Of course if he owns a tablet or an electronic metronome or drum machine he may have programmed all the tracks's tempo.
In the case your band still want you (the Keyboardist) to keep the tempo for the others I will recommend to send the metronome track out the Kronos on a separate output to a headphone amplifier.
This way the drummer could have the click every time along the band is playing and avoiding to loose it (A lot of drummers are not able to keep a stable tempo). The drummer may wear in hear headphones.
This way you will be able to play even in live situation with an accurate tempo.

Cheers

[kenrdot]

Time keeping is the drmmers job that's drums 101