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sani wrote:Well, that's the point. On one side you're are talking about how the Fusion was almost unlimited, and on the other side it suddenly needs some planning and not going "crazy" (whatever that means) with the samples.

Are you done misquoting me? I said the Fusion has unlimited number of banks and programs/mixes/songs. I never said anything about the Fusion itself being "almost unlimited".

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ChristianRock wrote:Still, you can't tell me that Korg couldn't have given us a couple extra banks in this day and age.

There already are how many banks? 14? I didn't count them.

Ok, so you're happy with the number of banks. I'm not, but it's not a big deal. I just wish there were more, but it's not going to keep me from having a Kronos. Do I not have the right to wish for that? I thought so. Thank you.

ChristianRock wrote:

sani wrote:Well, that's the point. On one side you're are talking about how the Fusion was almost unlimited, and on the other side it suddenly needs some planning and not going "crazy" (whatever that means) with the samples.

Are you done misquoting me? I said the Fusion has unlimited number of banks and programs/mixes/songs. I never said anything about the Fusion itself being "almost unlimited".

Oh come on. I made a language mistake. I know what you said. It doesn't change the fact about the Fusion which I already mentioned (potential delay while changing from one program/performance to another)

ChristianRock wrote:Do I not have the right to wish for that? I thought so. Thank you.

Yes, you absolutely have the right. I just expressed my opinion and it wasn't directed against you and your wish just because I quoted you. We all wish for more, be it polyphony or the amount of sample ram. It's just that I think that the memory locations are one aspect on Korg instruments where the user gets more than from any other workstation manufacturer.

sani wrote:Oh come on. I made a language mistake. I know what you said. It doesn't change the fact about the Fusion which I already mentioned (potential delay while changing from one program/performance to another)

Dude. That's like saying, my hair is a bird so your argument is invalid.
Completely non-sequitur. I'm not comparing one keyboard to another. I'm just saying that a keyboard from 2005 with a hard drive had way more memory locations available so I thought one from 2011 should also. That has NOTHING to do with loading long samples off a hard drive.
In the Fusion I could have 20 thousand programs using the VA or FM engines and not even load anything of the hard drive at all, save the programs themselves (which get loaded when I load a bank, so it's not like it's hitting the hard drive every time I change a sound). Do you finally see how you went non-sequitur here?

Yes, you absolutely have the right. I just expressed my opinion and it wasn't directed against you and your wish just because I quoted you. We all wish for more, be it polyphony or the amount of sample ram. It's just that I think that the memory locations are one aspect on Korg instruments where the user gets more than from any other workstation manufacturer.

I just told you, I have like 120 banks in my Fusion and I could have 10,000 more if I wanted to

It's ok, the Kronos is the best all-around keyboard out there, but you have to be able to be a man and admit it's not perfect in every single way

...and you can have 10000 banks stored as PCGs on Kronos' SSD drive, too. You'd just have to preload them. Just like on Fusion, I believe?

Right, but when you preload them, don't you have to overwrite something else? That was the point of this thread, I think.

If you can just load them and keep everything else that it has, then way to go Korg!!!

Don't forget that at least for program sounds you can preview them from inside the PCG. Not sure about Combis, but it would be nice if it did.

Yeah, you do have to overwrite the banks there are. Kronos has "preset" amount of banks that you can use for loading bank files in. Fusion doesn't?

ChristianRock wrote:Right, but when you preload them, don't you have to overwrite something else? That was the point of this thread, I think.

If you can just load them and keep everything else that it has, then way to go Korg!!!

Gawd, folks yes that is the point..any samples you get, pay for, create yourself etc.. ..and want to load into a bank. ...you have to UNLOAD something else. And then when you do it screws up the COmbis.. and Karma and who know what else. Who in the hell wants to Reload..Load..and Unload all this from a SSD drive just because their isnt enough memory in this....I dont!

EvilDragon wrote:Yeah, you do have to overwrite the banks there are. Kronos has "preset" amount of banks that you can use for loading bank files in. Fusion doesn't?

No. Like I said, Fusion limits for sound banks and mixes (combis) and songs is the size of your hard drive (and it formats hard drives up to 128Gb )

Right now I have over 100 banks of programs and about 15 banks of mixes co-existing simultaneously and available for immediate use

You guys are missing the point..... on KRONOS and most of the other KORG workstations.... ALL banks are USER editable... There are no Presets (except the GM bank). The banks are PRELAODED, not PRESET. There is a big difference.

ChristianRock, Yes, you can load/overwrite on any program from the files stored on hard disk. So you can preview the sounds, and then load only the one you want into the program location you want, PROVIDED, these are not sampled based sounds.

And by the way, how long does it take to switch the sounds on Fusion? Hmm... I got rid of Fusion because it didn't have a decent Delay Effect...... Otherwise I could have kept it....

ChristianRock wrote:

EvilDragon wrote:Yeah, you do have to overwrite the banks there are. Kronos has "preset" amount of banks that you can use for loading bank files in. Fusion doesn't?

No. Like I said, Fusion limits for sound banks and mixes (combis) and songs is the size of your hard drive (and it formats hard drives up to 128Gb )

Right now I have over 100 banks of programs and about 15 banks of mixes co-existing simultaneously and available for immediate use

OK, but if you want to have your banks instantly available (without waiting Fusion to withdraw it from the HD), how much would that be?


EDIT: Ah, you've EDITed too.

Sparkie... it's the same with Fusion and any other sampler that plays from RAM, inlcuding the Fusion.... Fusion has 256MB RAM, when you go over that, something else has to go... The difference is that Fusion unloads the samples that are not being used in current combi/song.... But, when you switch sounds... it will unload and load samples in realtime.. giving you 5-10 seconds of pause depending on the size. You don't have to run 'load' command, you just have to select the program..

Shakil wrote:And by the way, how long does it take to switch the sounds on Fusion? Hmm... I got rid of Fusion because it didn't have a decent Delay Effect...... Otherwise I could have kept it....

Lest this gets brought up yet again... nobody is saying the Fusion is better than the Kronos... it is not (though it's definitely worth the 475 dollars I paid for it a 2 and a half years ago). I just wish a 2011 top of the line workstation would have more available slots for presets. Why am I being almost stoned for wishing this?...

You are not being stoned, but there are other areas (like the Sequencer..) where KRONOS needs urgent improvement.

You are wishing for more preset slots, again these are not presets, preload... so, you are wishing for more than 1664 User Program slots, 1792 User Combination Slots..... + unlimited PCG files on SSD...... + 16 * 200 modified sounds with tone adjust in songs.... what for?

Fusion is worth it's price..... wish it had a decent delay effect and didn't have MIDI problem..

Sequencer?? God thats a real joke.. and has been ever since it was released on the OASYS.