Do you need KARMA on next KORG WS?

[Stefanus Wayanartha]

I hope next workstation should still bring Karma with:
1. simple and expert mode in editing karma parameters
2. expandable scenes and karma module
3. user can create and modify karma GEs in the korg WS without external softwares (but the software should still exists due to editing speed and more features)

Karma is a very powerful midi generator and i think with karma, korg has developed great WSs...(Korg Karma, Oasys n M3).

[Sharp]

Can't imagine a KORG without it now.
If I had once request though that would be to have KARMA fully implemented and no need for an external PC.

KARMA is the one function I've used for every project I've every worked on since owning an OASYS. Be it painful radio jingles or a sound track to a company video. KARMA is a huge time saver for me.

Regards
Sharp.

[drama1]

This is going to probably sound really strange, but I would'nt buy another Korg without Karma, unless the next generation of Korgs have smooth program/combi changes. I do not use Karma for what it is intended for, I use it for changing Combi/Program changes during live performance without any cutoff of sound. It is a workaround, but it works flawlessly.

[StephenKay]

Can't imagine a KORG without it now.
KARMA is the one function I've used for every project I've every worked on since owning an OASYS. Be it painful radio jingles or a sound track to a company video. KARMA is a huge time saver for me.

Than you, James!

And thank you everyone who said you wanted it.

Let me reiterate this again, very loudly: I ALREADY HAVE WRITTEN THE CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW KORG TO INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO CREATE GES DIRECTLY FROM PORTIONS OF A SEQUENCER TRACK OR PATTERNS TAKEN FROM THOSE TRACKS, BUT THEY HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO IMPLEMENT IT. IT'S NOT MY DECISION.

I am not holding back on these features in order to sell my software (if anyone thinks that, please don't).

There, I hope that is clear. Sorry for "yelling".

[LiqMat]

Let me reiterate this again, very loudly: I ALREADY HAVE WRITTEN THE CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW KORG TO INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO CREATE GES DIRECTLY FROM PORTIONS OF A SEQUENCER TRACK OR PATTERNS TAKEN FROM THOSE TRACKS, BUT THEY HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO IMPLEMENT IT. IT'S NOT MY DECISION.

I am not holding back on these features in order to sell my software (if anyone thinks that, please don't).

There, I hope that is clear. Sorry for "yelling".

That is because Korg has a big "L" on their forehead!

[BasariStudios]

Stephen, where you have time, to not open another topic...
Even if it was implemented in the machine itself, would we have the same
exact abilities as on the software or we would be limited on the synth itself?

[StephenKay]

Stephen, where you have time, to not open another topic...
Even if it was implemented in the machine itself, would we have the same
exact abilities as on the software or we would be limited on the synth itself?

No, it would be a duplicate of the current "Import To GE" feature, which allows
a Drum GE type or Melodic Type Drum GE RTC Model to be created.

So there would still be a definite reason/advantage to getting the software, to
be able to get at all of the internal KARMA GE parameters (such as you are now
becoming the expert on. )

However, it would go a lonnnnnnng way to satisfying people's request to be able
to create a simple arpeggiator type GE directly on the machine.

See, I personally don't like the fact that Yamaha/Roland owners can say "but I can create
an arp of my own on the machine, and you can't with KARMA/M3/OASYS." Because,
unfortunately, this is true - and it doesn't have to be.

[BasariStudios]

Thanks Stephen. Thats what i thought to...the Whole KM3 cannot fit in
there, lol, the M3 would probably melt once this starts working...lol.

[Hugo]

Thanks for shedding some light on this issue, Stephen.
I came to think of something, though: would it somehow be possible for you to include an 'upgrade' of the KARMA functionality in the M3 itself, by including it as a part of the software? Personally I'd happily pay another 100 for the software if this was included.

Could it be possible to come to some sort of agreement with Korg on this? I know for a fact that Korg has lost some customers to the competition because of the lack of KARMA/arpeggiator programming abilities.

[Shakil]

YES!! KARMA is a must...... Can't imagine Next flasgship workstation without KARMA.... hopefully next version and KORG will implement what Stephen has already written.....

My decision will be based on two things:

1. KARMA (even if software is required to create own GEs)
2. Ability to change tracks while loop recording.... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE KORG (wishing for this since TRITON classic). [If this is implemented I will sell my Fantom-G]

oh and the third: Physical Modeling expansion board.

[BasariStudios]

Hugo, thats a nice idea but i dont think it can be implemented, at least in my
own understanding of the KM3 software, no way in hell it can be implemented
as the M3 is now, maybe on another machine later. It would be still good though
if they implement ONLY the IMPORT TO GE part of the KM3 software.
To me personally would be useless since i work everything directly in soft but
a lot of people will gain from it and THAT IS THE ONLY THING people need to
create simple arpegios and also FULL KARMAfied Combis, only with Import to GE.
You create the pattern in the Sequencer and then you Import it as a GE, you
can do 4 of them and you have 4 Modules KARMA...now, doing this with the
software with specific RTP and RTC Models its a completely different word...
instead of Importing to GE only on the synth.

[snowbrow]

I ALREADY HAVE WRITTEN THE CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW KORG TO INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO CREATE GES DIRECTLY FROM PORTIONS OF A SEQUENCER TRACK OR PATTERNS TAKEN FROM THOSE TRACKS, BUT THEY HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO IMPLEMENT IT. IT'S NOT MY DECISION.

There, I hope that is clear. Sorry for "yelling".

Righteous frustration methinks. If so, I'm right with you Stephen; come on Korg, Stephen Kay is the man, use your assets to the full.

[synthguy]

What I would like to see is more "virtual" synths, a-la-oasys. Why not a computer with a keybed and all legacy collection vsynths running inside ? It could be called a Legastation or something like that. Upgradable, having the option of adding more vsynths, or any VST you might like. Karma will be an option too. Want a sampler? Load a sampler VST. Want a Hammond emulation? Load up a B3 VST. It could be a DAW like interface, with a virtual rack of instruments controlling midi channel and keyzone for each.

So, you want a KORG nEko or an Oasys II.

Actually, I'd like to see this too. I bought an Arturia Origin this week because I love those TAE synths, but getting a no-latency response on my computer seems close to impossible. And darn, if the stupid thing has less polyphony than advertised and tends to crash. Baby it though, and it performs and sounds amazing.

I think KORG could do the nEko thing well, and more affordably, though it would have to have a KORG synth engine. Something like an M4/Oasys II, but with room for several soft synths. KORG would certainly benefit from producing a new Legacy Pack covering even more of their vintage instruments. And yes, KARMA would have to be a part of the package, and hopefully KORG will see the light and allow Stephen to implement his enhancements. I do need an arp from time to time.

KORG has become an integral part of my music making toolbox. That and Kurzweil, but the M3 is easier to program. And one layer on a KORG synth sounds warmer and more musical than on any other rompler.