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Posted: **Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:43 pm**

Mostly my experience of note dropouts on the PA4X would alternate between one of the Parts in a Style, or a LOWER Part dropout when ENSEMBLE on one of upper parts was activated in Style play mode with a keyboard split, including all 3 upper Parts active + 4 Pads...

With PA5X this unwanted effect of note dropouts, is rather more dramatic this time round, which includes many more frequent events compared with PA4X...

Also different with PA5X (todate) i have seen no signs of Style note dropouts (be interesting too know if others have?) but, this time for me with PA5X this unwanted event predominantly interferes with ENSEMBLE note dropouts and/or Lower Part dropouts and can alternate in the same song i am playing and there is no hiding this annoying and frustrating bonus feature...(sorry for the sarcasm here)

So when I start to build up to a Grand Finale (depending on what i am playing and trying to achieve) then things can start to go adrift, which generally results in me giving up and through gritted teeth saying "Really Korg" (!)

Posted: **Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:34 pm**

Asena wrote:
D575 wrote:And....

You wonder if korg intends to address the issue of note robbing from insufficient Polyphony?

This is something that has become more apparent with PA5X than previously with PA4X, considering the introduction of the dual players when synchronised together (this really is getting in the way)

If and when Korg sort out the present bugs/issues, including the PA4X missing features, and then continue with any possible future development road map, BUT... do not increase polyphony, I would imagine at that point this might have the strong potential to further exacerbate this issue...

To be clear here, I am not the only one to highlight this issue.

Poly is a Huge problem, Since many people just converts their set file to 5 X, And Gues what, The 4 X uses Mono, And 5 X stereo, So it,s eating Voices like a child in MC donnalds

IF you want all working ok, Start over and make NEW SET if not, You will suffer Hehehe. 160 Poly, if you play 2 styles, 4 PADS, and a Huge piano with a pad in de back ground, BYE BYEEEEE

So is this OK, NO, So is the KB planned for playing dual styles, if you ask me, NO WAY!
Sollution, Buy another Midi KB Use your PC/MAC for solo sounds.

I started from scratch with PA5X and ((( B#@*#@S ))) to the solution (nothing personal to you Asena)...

Either Korg fix this issue or Clearly State its limitations in any given Scenario, so customers can make a better informed decision to invest there hard earned money with Korg.... Period

Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:27 am**

D575 wrote:
Asena wrote:
D575 wrote:And....

You wonder if korg intends to address the issue of note robbing from insufficient Polyphony?

This is something that has become more apparent with PA5X than previously with PA4X, considering the introduction of the dual players when synchronised together (this really is getting in the way)

If and when Korg sort out the present bugs/issues, including the PA4X missing features, and then continue with any possible future development road map, BUT... do not increase polyphony, I would imagine at that point this might have the strong potential to further exacerbate this issue...

To be clear here, I am not the only one to highlight this issue.
I understand this and you 100%
NEVER in my lifetime of using KORG I have seen something like this.

I will reveal something here, Just try to import samples that you looped (STEREO) And gues what, The 260 MB Buffer goes out, And the KB says, EXHAUSTED PRELOAD MEMORY!

And what that means, YOU Can't LOAD any more samples.
That's fantastic

So basically Korg says do not use old files, And we are not, I created new sounds Stereo Samples, and there is Loop on them, And this is getting me so frustrated,

All this time, 18 months, what has KORG made, what the FUNK are they doining?
In so long time they have been telling us, ( Its cause of the OLD FILES from PA 3 X, User Faults Damaged User files, Wrongly imported USER files etc, It’s USER, and USER is us, We You and me, So they say We are making so the KB hangs and sometimes freeze or even does not boot up.
And the worst scenario is, When people that just uses the KB as it is, who says, It's A FANTASTIC KB.

It,s OK to have some minor bugs that the company can fix in few months, But Filled with so much problems missing features etc, and not adressing it in 18 month of time It,s Not OK.

Fantastic My A.....

I don't understand, did we paid for this KB 5000 for NOTHING?
Yes, we did unfortunately

Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:50 am**

irresolvable issues are a part of life............
Its a Real "Kick-In-The-Head" to realize somethings cant be fixed
Iv had more than my fair share of this in life and it can effect you
Permanently ................

Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:28 am**

If you really really cannot fix it (or get it fixed) then plan and make a change.......

If I had bought a PA5x 14 months ago, I would definitely not be owning it still today.

I'd love to know from PA5x owners who came from PA4x, exactly what they feel they have gained for the extra thousands of $$.
Did you think you have value for money?
What detail and features on the PA5x are so much better?
I am seriously very curious because I cannot come up with any answer to this for myself.
If I exchanged my PA4x for a PA5x here I would be out-of-pocket by at least AUD4,000
I cannot (from the specs and having played one) come up with anything significant - definitely not $4,000 dollars-worth.

PA5x is like a Korg brick wall for me - I would love to own one if it was working to specifications - I'd even put up with no EC5 and no KAOSS and replaced TCH-VP etc....etc....

Oh well... it's all been said too many times and clearly falling on deaf Korg-ears.

Take care
P

Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:54 am**

karmathanever wrote: What detail and features on the PA5x are so much better?
P

MORE-STUFF

The Tyros range was a SERIES
The pax range is a SERIES
Like a TV series has approx 12 episodes
Like an Album has 12 Trax

for each New product in the series
One would EXPECT to have the same, But with MORE-STUFF

Yamaha programmers took the T1, and Dumped it into the T5
With MORE-STUFF with the majority of bugs already dealt with & fixed

This doesnt seem to be the case with korg , from pa4x - to pa5x

Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:38 pm**

karmathanever wrote: I'd love to know from PA5x owners who came from PA4x, exactly what they feel they have gained for the extra thousands of $$.

Because I know that your question is serious, here are my anwers

karmathanever wrote: Did you think you have value for money?

absolutely, for me it's the best keyboard I have in my studio. I like it a lot more than for instance my korg kronos or yamaha genos.

karmathanever wrote: What detail and features on the PA5x are so much better?

That is a very subjective question, but for me it's:
- improved memory (lot's more sample memory than the korg pa4x, which allows me to add 8 gigabytes of samples which is insane for a keyboard, so much possibilities)
- better sound (it's actually a lot better than the pa4x, due to the new samples and more importantly the waves effects)
- Much more CPU power resulting in more effects per style
- more high quality effects available in the pa5x (I can do things now like for instance shimmering effects, or routing setups where I route distorted signals through a delay and the original on top of it, or disable the original sound, it's very impressive what you can do now)

- impressive filters with 6db, 12db and 24db slopes
- more sounds in the raw sample library
- more styles (new styles are really good and very modern)
- old styles are modified with the new possibilities of the pa5x
- EQ and Limiter per style available

- 2 players which allows you to do really creative things (like creating mashups in realtime between songs and styles, or mixing elements of different styles, or adding acappella's to your styles)
- a 16 slot matrix which allows you to mute up till 16 elements in your style or song (i use this all the time!)
- a 16 slot matrix where you can add your own drumloops, upriser or downlifter effects, sequence patterns, guitar strums, etc. The best part of this is that they are grouped in columns of 4 so that you can easely switch between patterns)
- hardwired buttons assigned automatically to the element marker system in midi files (this is a big deal when using midi files)
- a much more easy method to mix elements of styles to create new styles (like the assembly function in the genos)
- added modulation matrix assignements to every effect (can be assigned to your expression pedal or 2 custom sliders in the user section)

- unlimited styles storage (no more direct folders needed)
- unlimited songs storage
- unlimited keyboard sets
- custom tabs can be added to all sections (except sound area)

- a much more improved user interface
- very responsive touch screen
- very good guitar effect processor on board (works really good when I use one of my guitars)
- direct connections from your computer to all storage discs
- great integration with CUBASE during style development
- and of course the MASTER profiles with EQ and Compressor in the settings tab for the overall sound, that quality is much better then then pa4x master EQ and compressor settings.

karmathanever wrote: I am seriously very curious because I cannot come up with any answer to this for myself.
If I exchanged my PA4x for a PA5x here I would be out-of-pocket by at least AUD4,000
I cannot (from the specs and having played one) come up with anything significant - definitely not $4,000 dollars-worth.

PA5x is like a Korg brick wall for me - I would love to own one if it was working to specifications - I'd even put up with no EC5 and no KAOSS and replaced TCH-VP etc....etc....

I also used the EC5 on my pa4x and to be honest i'm really happy with my FCB1010 now, it has a lot more controllers to use on my pa5x, like a volume pedal for the upper sounds,an expression pedal that you can assign to anything through the modulation matrix, 10 foot controller buttons (i use it for the style variations, endings, break and upper sounds)

So I think it's worth to upgrade, I don't use the internal sequencer (I have cubase for this in 2023) and the kaos pad was more like a gimmick on the pa4x, I have the kaospad in hardware if I want to use it, but until now I don't miss it.

Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 1:27 pm**

This topic should still had been Sticky , since any question about Pa5X specifications would be answered ...
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 523#813523

Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:33 pm**

Thanks Qui for your detailed reply.

I'm still too wary about its reliability right now and the absence of EC5 (although not a showstopper) is very annoying.

(Just re: EC5... I've owned the FCB1010 for a long time but there are several functions you cannot assign to it like VAR-UP and VAR-DOWN which I use a lot on my EC5.)

I'll keep on hanging on...

Thanks again

Pete

Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:48 pm**

I think you should TRY it.........
then you can report back your findings
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Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 4:49 pm**

I agree with a;; of you. This is Korg's biggest failure in 22 yeas that I have been using PA series.
It's so unfortunate that Korg has taken away the basic functionality such as Sampler, quick record, and undo to name a few.
The sad part is that Korg support is not responding to any of these issues.
This was the most expensive mistake that I ever did in my music production career.

Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:45 pm**

Asena wrote:...In so long time they have been telling us, ( Its cause of the OLD FILES from PA 3 X, User Faults Damaged User files,
Wrongly imported USER files etc, It’s USER, and USER is us, We You and me, So they say We are making so the KB hangs and sometimes freeze or even does not boot up...

Asena,
agreed 100% and I understand your frustration and I am sorry about this situation for you and all Pa5X's owners who are dealing with these issues for long time.

I personally experienced problems when I had PA 1000 in the past (there is a long post about it, see link below).
I even informed Paolo (korg representative in our forum), he asked me to sent my User set (with samples and audio loop) to see if the problem is with my User set. I did sens it but I did not get any response, that was in 2019 before covid.

The only thing I heard, is that the User set is the culprit (Not even confirmed by Korg company), even though the Pa series (Not talking about Pa5X, I don't own one) is designed to load the old Pa user set (with audio loop, etc...)

So far nobody was capable to explain what technically and exactly a corrupt user file is for Korg Pa series.
If this is a known and confirmed issue by Korg company,
Why korg didn't solve this issue or at least improving their software to filter any corrupt user file
and not allowing to load any corrupted files into keyboard and causing the freeze problem or other issues If this is the only reason.

Best of luck

This is the link to the issues I was referring to:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpbb2/ ... p?t=119133

Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:45 pm**

PA5X has most certainly stirred many emotions and points of view so far...

All valid from the point of view of the individual...

I would also agree with most of all that has been said, good and bad about PA5X...

I can only conclude at this present moment in time with a Quote, which would seem so very apt in the case of PA5X...

((((((( "SO NEAR AND YET SO FAR" ))))))

Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:47 pm**

karmathanever wrote:Thanks Qui for your detailed reply.

I'm still too wary about its reliability right now and the absence of EC5 (although not a showstopper) is very annoying.

(Just re: EC5... I've owned the FCB1010 for a long time but there are several functions you cannot assign to it like VAR-UP and VAR-DOWN which I use a lot on my EC5.)

yes variation up and down and style up and down are EC5 only indeed, not available for the midi controllers on a pa5X.

you can assign of course the variations itself to buttons or even assign a variation to a keyboard set position, so that it selects automatically, but the variation up/down can't be done.

considering the reliability, don't worry, it's really stable, It never crashes or freezes over here.

Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:40 pm**

- improved memory (lot's more sample memory than the korg pa4x, which allows me to add 8 gigabytes of samples which is insane for a keyboard, so much possibilities)

OK What posibilities , If you use the 30K samples, it does not allow you lo load One more singel sample/Wave or anything even if you got 1 TB!
PA4X has 3 GB, 15K samples, no one can use the rest of it since 15K limitation.
600 mb, 15K samples and its over, What can we do with the rest of the ram:)

- 2 players which allows you to do really creative things (like creating mashups

Many Drop outs, When using 2 Styles, 4 Pad loops, And a HUGE or Complex sound! USELESS if its not working 100%
160 Poliphoni is not enough.

- a much more improved user interface
IMPROVED Yes, But not So much, There is another KB for 699 dollars that offers more. Why cant KORG?

- very responsive touch screen

An Surf Pad/Ipad quality for that kind of money shud been in there from start!
Just Look at the ROLAND/MEDELI it does not cost much this days Even my kids have better .

- great integration with CUBASE during style development YES but still many people needs a Seq on the unit!

I respect your enthusiasm, And as a friend i really i appreciate all your hard work, Videos and all you offer you know it,

But , this shud be better, and please dont tell ME that the KB is working 100%.
Like the PRELOAD BUFFER, its Not working, And just imagine one person that is not so good on PC/MAC, do they must buy a PC for using it?
Another thing, Do all people know things like you ? NO
Thats why we need people like you, because KORG itself does not seems to care so much.

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