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Posted: **Tue May 02, 2023 11:24 pm**

QuiRobinez wrote: it's even worse with that christmas style, if you just select a different drumkit then all the drumkits are the same. The program change is neglected.
You don't even have to save it to the songbook.

To be honest, i was really happy that it worked that way, because changing midi files (revoicing) is now so easy to do with the fact that once it was changed you didn't need to modify the program changes in the midi file.

But i can see how annoying this can be if you have a style with multiple program changes per variation.

thanks for the explanation.

FYI: I use Onsong on the ipad as the songbook over there.

Hi Qui, the way it currently works , has its pro’s and con’s. Good for midi files, disaster for styles with multiple program changes.

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One has to be extremely careful and check to see if changing a drum kit or instrument is going to adversely affect the style.
Fortunately not all of them have those multiple program changes.
Anything I create for myself I try and keep the instruments the same in each of the variations etc.

Hard to know whether it’s a bug (hopefully) or some strange new design.
Either way for me, using user styles ( even if they are just a saved factory style, ) in songbook works.
I figure should I ever want to do any editing to the style, my songbook will still be linked to it, whereas if I use a factory style and I want to edit the style itself, I’d have to save as a user, then redo the songbook entry.
As you mentioned earlier, we are no longer constrained by the amount of user styles we have. I love that new system for styles.

Checked out Onsong, sounds amazing, especially the pro version.
For me not worth swapping, I just use it to pick the songs in songbook and to store my sheet music.
Truly amazing what can be done with an iPad app.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 3:06 am**

They are midi files that change the program over time. I assume it blocks those as well.

It's a bug because the songbook will invalidate even factory styles and make it impossible to use more complex arrangements.

It's actually a flawed implementation of the midi standard.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 3:18 pm**

QuiRobinez wrote:
G wrote:How to multi-sample a different keyboard, piano or piano VST, into the Pa5X...

Using auto-sampling software like SampleRobot, etc.
yes i use samplerobot for this, you can export it to korg format and then you can load it in the pa5x and save it as user sounds. Then you can select it in sound edit mode.

If you find the time, I think it would be a very valuable video to show a step-by-step sampling of a piano (hardware or VST) using SampleRobot.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 5:18 pm**

G wrote: If you find the time, I think it would be a very valuable video to show a step-by-step sampling of a piano (hardware or VST) using SampleRobot.

i've already did that in the past for the korg wavestate. The samplerobot process is the same for the pa5x, the only thing that is different is that you have to export it as korg kronos format and then import that kmp file in the pa5x and use that for creating the sound.

samplerobot makes the whole sampling process very easy to do. It doesn't matter if you sample VST sounds or hardware synth sounds, both can be done fully automatically.

the samplerobot process starts at 06:00
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Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 8:59 pm**

QuiRobinez wrote: i've already did that in the past for the korg wavestate. The samplerobot process is the same for the pa5x, the only thing that is different is that you have to export it as korg kronos format and then import that kmp file in the pa5x and use that for creating the sound.

Hi Qui, I bought just the basic one a couple of days ago, Korg+Wave version, I can’t see me getting into sampling to any great extent, just some drum kits from my sx900.
Are you saying we can already use the samples in PA5x? I was buying it early before the PA5x update, so I could learn to use the software.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 10:33 pm**

rikkisbears wrote:
QuiRobinez wrote: i've already did that in the past for the korg wavestate. The samplerobot process is the same for the pa5x, the only thing that is different is that you have to export it as korg kronos format and then import that kmp file in the pa5x and use that for creating the sound.

Hi Qui, I bought just the basic one a couple of days ago, Korg+Wave version, I can’t see me getting into sampling to any great extent, just some drum kits from my sx900.
Are you saying we can already use the samples in PA5x? I was buying it early before the PA5x update, so I could learn to use the software.

yes, you can use the sample libraries from samplerobot in the pa5x.

The demo in my review video, the above and beyond demo is using a sound that i sampled from my Virus TI. In that video i showed that specific sample which was a samplerobot project but then exported to korg format (the KSC file). I've loaded both KMP files (left and right) and assigned them to a sound.

check the video on 08:00 where i talked about the samples and give an example with that sample sound that i added to the pa5x.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1R86vhLLk8

Drumkits are even more simple, just sample your kit and save it as wav file, then import that wav file in the pa5x and save it to the sample memory.
Then copy one of your pa5x drumkits and change the existing drums to the user variations that you imported from your wav files. If you do it this way then you can use the default styles with your own drum sounds. It's very easy to do on the pa5x.

The drums in my dance demo are a custom drumkit with custom samples that way.
See this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khWSYWeKI2Q

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 10:47 pm**

Thank you Qui, especially on the drum kit info, I would have saved them incorrectly

I have watched some of your videos, but at that stage sampling didn’t interest me, so now I’ll go thru them thoroughly.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2023 11:07 pm**

I'd like to point a significant detail for custom DK samples !
Every sample you import must be saved as drum sample type in order to get indexer and can be found at DK Samples browser.

Posted: **Thu May 04, 2023 8:38 pm**

AntonySharmman wrote:I'd like to point a significant detail for custom DK samples !
Every sample you import must be saved as drum sample type in order to get indexer and can be found at DK Samples browser.

Thanks Antony, I’m studying manual, utube clips, I might get something sampled yet

Posted: **Wed May 10, 2023 7:20 am**

rikkisbears wrote:
QuiRobinez wrote: it's even worse with that christmas style, if you just select a different drumkit then all the drumkits are the same. The program change is neglected.
You don't even have to save it to the songbook.

To be honest, i was really happy that it worked that way, because changing midi files (revoicing) is now so easy to do with the fact that once it was changed you didn't need to modify the program changes in the midi file.

But i can see how annoying this can be if you have a style with multiple program changes per variation.

thanks for the explanation.

FYI: I use Onsong on the ipad as the songbook over there.
Hi Qui, not sure if you were referring to a song ( midi file) or a midi file to create a style.
I just realised how handy this bug is when creating user styles in a Daw.
When importing a midi file into Korg as a “new style”, the program changes don’t get imported. The Ntt Settings etc I’ve always had to do in the Korg regardless, but program changes were imported with the tracks.
Once I’ve imported the .mid I’ve been having to change all the sounds in the style tracks individually one by one.
Now I just import my .mid as a “new style”. Save style. “Exit.”
Choose the instruments I want for each track on the main style page. Save.
Press record edit, and all the instruments have been copied to the various style parts. Then just need to do rest of settings.

BTW, something else I wasn’t aware of . With Songbook plus software,
dummy me thought I had to be in Korg’s Songbook page for
songbook plus software to work.

Didn’t realise I could use it on the main page of Korg.
Now I just pick song in songbook plus, tap on the user style on PA5x,
re choose the style , press exit to get back to main page, and I don’t have all the problems of wrong instruments playing.
Finding it real easy to just do a user style for each of the songs.

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