Quick question for you Tyros/Genos owners....

[karmathanever]

Thanks for all the replies guys - have my answer now - many thanks (will see what Genos-2 has to offer!! )

Sometimes I wonder if the effort to learn proprietary fingering systems is that much less than learning a full fingered chord..!
One thing about learning full fingering... you don’t have to unlearn it if you move to another make of arranger It works on them all.

Obviously, but doesn't relate to my question which was "..how do you achieve PA4X Fingered-one-note fingering on the Genos?...."
I thought the AI fingering on the Genos might have been the answer (but not). Also, this relates to arranger-style chord recognition (supporting split keyboard limitations etc..) as opposed to playing full open keyboard.
The Fingered-one-note is not "proprietary" merely the intelligence to recognise a chord and play the style based on 1 or 2 notes as well as 3, 4, 5, 6.
It appears Yamaha is the only arranger that has never implemented it.

[ckobu]

Sometimes I wonder if the effort to learn proprietary fingering systems is that much less than learning a full fingered chord..!

One thing about learning full fingering... you don’t have to unlearn it if you move to another make of arranger It works on them all.

One-finger playing can also be used this way. The more opportunities for playing, the more creativity there is for musicians.

https://youtu.be/RS0cl5a1eQA

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The Fingered-one-note is not "proprietary" merely the intelligence to recognise a chord and play the style based on 1 or 2 notes as well as 3, 4, 5, 6.
It appears Yamaha is the only arranger that has never implemented it.

You didn't follow me well, Smart Chord can be used in the same way as with Korg. It’s an option that has only recently been built into some models, but Yamaha is slowly progressing so I guess the Korga will arrive in 10 years.
BTW. The new features of Unison & Accept are very interesting and useful to play. So far it has not been built into arrangers, Yamaha’s invention.

https://youtu.be/Cj_RkMMqJBM?t=204

[karmathanever]

You didn't follow me well, Smart Chord can be used in the same way as with Korg. It’s an option that has only recently been built into some models

I did read your post and was very interested to know more but there is no reference to Smart Chord in any of the Genos manuals I downloaded - please explain more - where is this defined? Is it a new feature in the OS 2?

Thanks
Pete

[Korghelper]

I think my point was lost...

We all tend to change manufacturers from time to time, sometimes because of technical advances, sometimes from financial reasons, all too often out of sheer boredom!

But proprietary or unimplemented fingering systems make the move harder than it needs to be. Yes, in a perfect world, Korg would implement every system Yamaha has, Yamaha would implement every mode Korg has, and Ketron and Casio would do likewise. We don’t live in that world. Unfortunately, we live in the world of brands trying to be different, all too often because of legacy inertia and entrenched attitudes.

But one fingering system remains universal, and IMHO, isn’t that much more complicated to learn than proprietary systems when you boil it down. I think my question was valid... Compared to the hours needed to learn proprietary systems (and the even longer hours needed to unlearn one system and train oneself with a different one), just how many MORE hours are needed to simply learn the proper fingering?

Not as many as some would believe, I think...

[karmathanever]

I think my point was lost...

There's a pattern occurring here

[ckobu]

You didn't follow me well, Smart Chord can be used in the same way as with Korg. It’s an option that has only recently been built into some models

I did read your post and was very interested to know more but there is no reference to Smart Chord in any of the Genos manuals I downloaded - please explain more - where is this defined? Is it a new feature in the OS 2?

Thanks
Pete

The Genos manual and Yamaha’s instructions in general are a disaster. They serve no purpose and that is one thing they should fix.

Yamaha is constantly working to improve keyboards. The new PSR SX 600 has been given the new Smart Chord option, and the same option already exists on all PSR E series models. Maybe she's similar to Korg's "Fingered 1 note"
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This option appeared recently and is not in the Tyros series or Genos. Yamaha has a practice of adding (trying out) new features to cheaper models and then incorporating the same things into more expensive keyboards. Maybe the same thing happens with this Smart Chord option.

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I wrote in the post # but maybe I wasn’t clear enough. The Smart Chord option has appeared in the last couple of years and is only found in some newer (PSR SX600) and cheaper models. The Tyros and Genos series do not have this capability. I guess in the future it will be tuned to the top models because Yamaha has had such a practice before. It tests on a cheaper model and then implements it in a new one.

[karmathanever]

Thanks ckobu

I will await the next Genos and see what happens - appreciate the information.

Pete

[Simke]

The reason I started this post was because I recently considered Genos as a second keyboard.
Pete

I'm just curious .... Why does someone want to have two keyboards of the same functionality?

[Musicwithharry]

The reason I started this post was because I recently considered Genos as a second keyboard.
Pete

I'm just curious .... Why does someone want to have two keyboards of the same functionality?

I can think of a number of reasons, and just about as many reasons as I could think of for owning multiple identical machines.

With regard to arrangers, some companies do things better than others. Some styles sound better on different brands of machines. Not any single machine has everything that everyone wants.

Grace,
Harry

[karmathanever]

I'm just curious .... Why does someone want to have two keyboards of the same functionality?

Similar to my having 2 cars, one for outstanding reliable pleasure and comfort and the other for quick trips to the shops

Actually, you've got me thinking....... a third car might be a better option in this case

[Simke]

I can think of a number of reasons, and just about as many reasons as I could think of for owning multiple identical machines.

With regard to arrangers, some companies do things better than others. Some styles sound better on different brands of machines. Not any single machine has everything that everyone wants.

Grace,
Harry

Both machines are so individually good that I see no reason why anyone would use them both on a gig (other than to create additional problems for themselves in terms of transport, use, etc.)
I’m talking in terms of owning second keyboard, not creating a collection.

[karmathanever]

Both machines are so individually good that I see no reason why anyone would use them both on a gig

Yes agree - I could never use Genos on a gig as it is not conducive to performing live - it would be a studio keyboard only if I ever had one.

[Simke]

I see..thanks!