But subtractive synthesis is older, and the Minilogue is creating such a buzz. The Nord Piano is based on aa 200 year old instrument.
FM-X is newer than those in origin and current in its implementation. Not clear on your point.
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At andertons music, the 61 key version is more then £130 cheeper then the Kronos2 ....aron wrote:Here's the price on the 88:
http://www.andysmusic.com/categories/sy ... ers/5.html
Street is $300 more than Kronos, but list is about $150 less.
Yamaha Montage 88-Key Synthesizer
Our Price: $3,999.99
List Price: $4,499.00
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Seems to me that Yamaha tries to undercut Kronos prices..
Which actually comes like a surprise to me, Montage being cheeper then Motif XF
Looks like FM-X is quite similar to FS1R - 8 operators, sine wave + 7 Spectral Forms, 88 algorythms, and filter/FEG; there's also Spectral Skirt and Spectral Resonance, Common LFO, and EQ/effects.
I presume self-feedback as on the reface DX is also present, and maybe formant-generating unvoiced operators...
I presume self-feedback as on the reface DX is also present, and maybe formant-generating unvoiced operators...
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It looks like it's a workstation after all with a 16-track internal sequencer.
The other two videos:a video with the synth sounds, and a presentation in French.
The other two videos:a video with the synth sounds, and a presentation in French.
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I'm not feeling the love for it. I feel that Montage could/should have been so much more - I think Korg may have spoilt all my future GAS with the Kronos Wink
As far as "Workstations" go, I'm yet to be convinced there's anything better out there.
+ 1 They could have done more, which shows me that they're not really interested in the synth/workstation market at this point. From a pure economic point of view its clever, since times are still quite tough for high prized consumer electronics.
You can also see this with notebooks and computers in general. I mean, I watched the market for a new notebook and prizes seem to be frozen since 2 or 3 years for goods with almost the same tech specs-I guess Moores law has been temporarily suspended.
I think we won't see a real new synth/workstation from any of the big 3 until the next decade. Up until then they seem to be all way too busy maintaing their business without too many losses in market share.
Broadwave:
I'm not feeling the love for it. I feel that Montage could/should have been so much more - I think Korg may have spoilt all my future GAS with the Kronos Wink
As far as "Workstations" go, I'm yet to be convinced there's anything better out there.
+ 1 They could have done more, which shows me that they're not really interested in the synth/workstation market at this point. From a pure economic point of view its clever, since times are still quite tough for high prized consumer electronics.
You can also see this with notebooks and computers in general. I mean, I watched the market for a new notebook and prizes seem to be frozen since 2 or 3 years for goods with almost the same tech specs-I guess Moores law has been temporarily suspended.
I think we won't see a real new synth/workstation from any of the big 3 until the next decade. Up until then they seem to be all way too busy maintaing their business without too many losses in market share.
If anything the Montage shows you what a beast the KRONOS still is in terms of features and sound quality.
But in areas where the KORG KRONOS is showing its age, the Montage shines, notably the HD-1 engine with its modest sample content vs. the AWM2 with a much larger sample content.
The acoustic emulations (aside from the pianos in the KRONOS SGX1/EP1 and the CX-1) are better and more detailed in the Montage.
It's a strong hint to KORG that the HD engine should be updated and include some of the things their arrangers have had for years now, such as DNC.
Other than that, just looking at what you get with the KRONOS in terms of synth sounds, the variety of different sound engines, the pianos, organs, synths, as well as features such as a sampler with streaming samples, a sequencer with a 16-track harddisk recorder, then I feel that the KRONOS still offers more bang for the buck as a workstation than the Montage.
But the Montage offers an extensive FM engine and it is strong in areas where the KRONOS is showing its age, so both complement each other in that regard.
And I think the superknob and autosync to an incoming audio signal are great ideas.
Now it's Roland's turn.
But in areas where the KORG KRONOS is showing its age, the Montage shines, notably the HD-1 engine with its modest sample content vs. the AWM2 with a much larger sample content.
The acoustic emulations (aside from the pianos in the KRONOS SGX1/EP1 and the CX-1) are better and more detailed in the Montage.
It's a strong hint to KORG that the HD engine should be updated and include some of the things their arrangers have had for years now, such as DNC.
Other than that, just looking at what you get with the KRONOS in terms of synth sounds, the variety of different sound engines, the pianos, organs, synths, as well as features such as a sampler with streaming samples, a sequencer with a 16-track harddisk recorder, then I feel that the KRONOS still offers more bang for the buck as a workstation than the Montage.
But the Montage offers an extensive FM engine and it is strong in areas where the KRONOS is showing its age, so both complement each other in that regard.
And I think the superknob and autosync to an incoming audio signal are great ideas.
Now it's Roland's turn.
>@aron - you still haven't made your point! Getting a minilogue - do you not have any analogue synths?
I can never have enough analog synthesizers! I have always wanted a programmable analog synth with knobs. Although my OB-1 was cool, it was huge and unreliable. I've been on the lookout for a Moog source (I know, no knobs) but when I heard the minilogue and saw the price, it's perfect.
Although I was proficient in programming FM - I never "loved" it.
I do love analog synthesizers.
I have a number of unreliable analog synthesizers - Arp Odyssey, 2 OB-1, Moog Micromoog, Minimoog, 2 Sequential Pro One, 2 CS-01 and the JX-3P.
Some are too heavy, some don't work properly, most have terrible action.
I use my JP-8000 now, but it would be great to have another analog poly synth. It's no mono/poly, but will do!
I can never have enough analog synthesizers! I have always wanted a programmable analog synth with knobs. Although my OB-1 was cool, it was huge and unreliable. I've been on the lookout for a Moog source (I know, no knobs) but when I heard the minilogue and saw the price, it's perfect.
Although I was proficient in programming FM - I never "loved" it.
I do love analog synthesizers.
I have a number of unreliable analog synthesizers - Arp Odyssey, 2 OB-1, Moog Micromoog, Minimoog, 2 Sequential Pro One, 2 CS-01 and the JX-3P.
Some are too heavy, some don't work properly, most have terrible action.
I use my JP-8000 now, but it would be great to have another analog poly synth. It's no mono/poly, but will do!
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Get it all... kronos 88, montage 76, integra 7... All the best in one setup..Jan1 wrote:If anything the Montage shows you what a beast the KRONOS still is in terms of features and sound quality.
But in areas where the KORG KRONOS is showing its age, the Montage shines, notably the HD-1 engine with its modest sample content vs. the AWM2 with a much larger sample content.
The acoustic emulations (aside from the pianos in the KRONOS SGX1/EP1 and the CX-1) are better and more detailed in the Montage.
It's a strong hint to KORG that the HD engine should be updated and include some of the things their arrangers have had for years now, such as DNC.
Other than that, just looking at what you get with the KRONOS in terms of synth sounds, the variety of different sound engines, the pianos, organs, synths, as well as features such as a sampler with streaming samples, a sequencer with a 16-track harddisk recorder, then I feel that the KRONOS still offers more bang for the buck as a workstation than the Montage.
But the Montage offers an extensive FM engine and it is strong in areas where the KRONOS is showing its age, so both complement each other in that regard.
And I think the superknob and autosync to an incoming audio signal are great ideas.
Now it's Roland's turn.
The motion sequencer looks like a great tool.. Turning the Montage in a creative source just like the kronos/karma...
Yet still, i think Yamaha should also have added their VL and AN engines to this instrument to make it a full competitor of the Kronos..
One or two tricks aside, Montage can't do anything a Jupiter 80/Integra and/or Kronos couldn't do 5 years ago. And even if you think the acoustic sounds in Kronos are lacking, you can still buy some of the libraries and you're largely covered without having to part with such an insane amount of money again.
I know that there are folks who can afford to own them all, but if you can't, it won't ruin your musical career, IMHO.
If yammy really had tried to compete with Kronos (with better acoustic emulations and some nice VA's and better DAW integration), I could have been tempted to jump ship, but with this...
I know that there are folks who can afford to own them all, but if you can't, it won't ruin your musical career, IMHO.
If yammy really had tried to compete with Kronos (with better acoustic emulations and some nice VA's and better DAW integration), I could have been tempted to jump ship, but with this...