Kronos (hardware) vs Komplete8 (software)

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:56 am

Even if you have a 48 core computer , what good would it do, when most DAWs haven't been coded properly to take advantage of all cores... I think most of the major ones only support up to 4 cores. Most of them are still 32 bit apps...I think Reaper supports up to 12 cores or something.

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:01 am

EvilDragon wrote: PLAY needs a motherfucking behemoth with i7 or Xeons and 24 GB of RAM and SSD arrays. IF you want to run Hollywood Strings smoothly. No other option. And when PLAY is concerned, running it on PC is better than running it on Mac.

You totally made that up. I've used all versions of PLAY on my 7 year old dual core /4 gig ram turnkey system..and it runs with no problems at all. I've been using Hollywood strings on multiple projects as well.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:32 am

Assyrianpianist wrote:Even if you have a 48 core computer , what good would it do, when most DAWs haven't been coded properly to take advantage of all cores... I think most of the major ones only support up to 4 cores. Most of them are still 32 bit apps...I think Reaper supports up to 12 cores or something.

Reaper is the most multicore optimized out of all DAWs. It pretty much uses up everything you have in your machine, so I think even 48 cores would be used if they are there.

Assyrianpianist wrote:
EvilDragon wrote: PLAY needs a motherfucking behemoth with i7 or Xeons and 24 GB of RAM and SSD arrays. IF you want to run Hollywood Strings smoothly. No other option. And when PLAY is concerned, running it on PC is better than running it on Mac.
You totally made that up. I've used all versions of PLAY on my 7 year old dual core /4 gig ram turnkey system..and it runs with no problems at all. I've been using Hollywood strings on multiple projects as well.

Well, I presume you weren't able to load the full HS string section with that configuration, you loaded the reduced patches which don't have as much detail, and you did a lot of bouncing (4 GB of RAM is really bad for PLAYs hogginess).

Mystic38 · Post by **Mystic38** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:41 am

Another +1 for maschine

I am about 6weeks in qnd still impressed. Even as "just" a drum/rhythm machine it it outstanding.. Plenty of kits, drop dead simple to create patterns, etc..

Bruce Lychee wrote:Maschine is already on my list. Dropping by Guitar Center later.

Thanks for the input on EastWest guys.

My configuration is dual SSD (480gig and 240gig OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6g) in the following MacBook Pro:

15-inch: 2.2 GHz
2.2GHz quad-core
Intel Core i7
8GB 1333MHz
Intel HD Graphics 3000
AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 1GB GDDR5

Don't try it or should be good to go? Or somewhere in between?

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:11 pm

If it's true that Reaper is fully optimized to use all the available cores and Ram..then does it make sense to Rewire reaper to Pro tools and work some of the plug ins that way? Would that solve the 4 Gig Ram limit for pro tools?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:29 pm

That makes a lot of sense, yeah. There are actually quite a number of DUCers working that way.

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:50 pm

EvilDragon wrote:That makes a lot of sense, yeah. There are actually quite a number of DUCers working that way.

Nice! This alone would attract a lot of attention to Reaper.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:29 pm

It already does

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:15 am

I can't believe how fast these OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G SSDs are. I'm not sure how EastWest is going to run, but this dual SSD setup is making mince meat out of everything so far.

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:40 am

Does anybody have any experience with ADK pro Audio? I've been checking their Xeon Xtreme for a while:

http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/view ... cordid=109

And also http://raincomputers.com/products/solstice-studio/ from Rain recording.

I've used Rainrecordings once before, and it's been such a solid working machine for me, but I know I can get way more for my buck if I buy the componenets myself and get someone to put it together for me. The problem is I couldn't figure out the list of the latest bad ass PC workstation that could run pro tools and else. They have some threads going on in Avid's forum, but they're a mess. Most of the set-ups are already outdated.

biggrime · Post by **biggrime** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:30 am

cachete1966 wrote:Korg Kronos (hardware Synth) vs Komplete 8 (software)

I know..... its a crazy... but...

what you think..??

pro and contrs...?

i ask this because is an option for too many people....!!!

After reading this loonng thread(I read most of it) This is the reason I like hardware. People talking bout this software that software. You got to have this many cores. Oh no the software only supports a certain amount of core.

Give me a good workstation that allows me to program and make that keyboard my own. This is why I own a Korg m3. I do agree that software sounds good and you have a lot of options. Some people may enjoy figuring out all this computer stuff. I did it for years. However now I want to make music. I am a musician not a nerd.
Oh by the way I have a 1 core computer lol

Sina172 · Post by **Sina172** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:01 am

RonF · Post by **RonF** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:45 pm

I concur with Sina's comments 100%. I have the exact same Mac setup he mentions. And the g5 is still rock solid 5 years later and it works seamlessly w the macpro 8 core. A Mac is truly a reliable investment.

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:54 pm

Sina172 wrote:
Yeah, you're better off building a PC, instead of paying those sky-high prices in comparison.

But on the other hand, why not just get a Base Model Mac Pro Quad-Core for $2500 and save yourself the hassle of running a PC to begin with? Seamless integration, unparalleled stability, expansion and speed and something that'll last you at LEAST 5 years with a FAR better resale value (you'll be LUCKY if you got 1/4 back from that PC you bought a year ago!).

I'm still using my G5 Quad and I LOVE it! I only got the Mac Pro 8-Core to stay up to date with all the software that won't run on my G5. I don't really need it, per se, and I could live with just the G5, but with the advances in software and hardware and given how much I use that G5 still, it made sense to get the 8-Core Mac Pro and run my latest apps on that and keep the G5 Quad for older software that you can't install on the Intel Mac Pro and vice versa. And with fibre-channel, those two essentially become one computer seamlessly integrated and I can access files from either one at ridiculous speeds.

Sina

i know what you mean, but I really need a PC. I just bought a Maxed out 17'' macbook pro few months ago, so that kind of takes care of my Mac needs. It's just the nature of the kind of work I do. Some times one works better than the other for me in certain cases, and I have to have access to both machines. This is the only time that I'm tempted to build it myself, or at least do the research for components and have a computer tech assemble it. I have limited experience in the hardware department.

That's why I was wondering if any of you have an up to date PC workstation optimized for audio recording apps. So far that SSD drive (OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G SSDs ) sounds very interesting. I don't think pro tools can't record to SSD but it can read from it, so it might be a good option for sample drive?

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