OS Swap done. with video

HappyTed · Post by **HappyTed** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:45 pm

yul_2000 wrote:So to recap things the only issue at this point when going E2 to ES2 is that some of the slots will bear names from the E2 patches..? That's it? Thanks

Not if you avoid the slots mentioned above.

HappyTed · Post by **HappyTed** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:59 pm

SMK wrote:
HappyTed wrote:I see James Pulen is on that Facebook group saying that Korg will be annoyed that this has happened right when they "are in the middle of announcing an updated OS".

He also said that an official swappable OS was already planned but they were waiting until all of the features have been added.
Wait what???? When did he say that?

Link to the original post please. Thanks!

It's all on the Fb group comments...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1587573334805635/

James Pullen Not that I think they will, but they can sue you into oblivion for doing this, especially as you've done it right in the middle of them launching the new sampler o.s.

James Pullen This guy did it right in the middle of a launch before we got a chance to offer the switch legitimately.

James Pullen It just means we didn't get the chance to implement it ourselves at what we thought woukd be the right time in a cleanly lisenced way for a fully updated and community-tested o.s.

James Pullen Im pretty sure they'll still update things and release their own switch patch once everything's been ironed out.

James Pullen It's the same device, obviously, just two different operating systems. It seemed worthwhile giving each operating system its own product launch to define it in its own right. The two systems are sufficiently different. A FW switch once both o.s. are fully updated would let people experience both in one machine, or be able to have two of each, or one of each, and swap around as needed.

Steinberger · Post by **Steinberger** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:04 am

Well that's great then. Nothing is stopping them. What are they gonna do rage quit and baby fit? No.

Since they don't communicate back to the community (at all) then there should be no surprise that someone would enthusiastically dig into a device looking for hooks to push the functional limits.

Glad they continue to work on it. I'm sure many of us would love to have a real conversation with the builders at length and share thoughts. They deserve all the credit for it as well as some helpful suggestions like a freaking drum machine mode! Sorry kinda lost it a bit there.

pauloapo · Post by **pauloapo** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:06 am

It's never clear how much of what pullen says is coming from Korg themselves or just his own wild imagination.

FreshHorses · Post by **FreshHorses** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:18 am

I have a hard time believing that this was not Korg's plan all along. If you want to use both at once, you still need to buy two. If you just want one, what dif. does it make to Korg which one you buy? No sweat of their balls.

Buska · Post by **Buska** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:22 am

pauloapo wrote:It's never clear how much of what pullen says is coming from Korg themselves or just his own wild imagination.

Yep. Agree.
I wonder if we will see this new is in the next week or so?

stlkr · Post by **stlkr** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:30 am

fully updated and community-tested o.s.

yeah right...

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:48 pm

yul_2000 wrote:So to recap things the only issue at this point when going E2 to ES2 is that some of the slots will bear names from the E2 patches..? That's it? Thanks

Only if you put samples into the slots starting at 500. If you do that, it will mirror the files in other lowered number slots with incorrect names. It's a bug.

If you started loading samples into oscillator 523, you can avoid the slots that have errors.

pauloapo · Post by **pauloapo** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:27 pm

Haven't experienced "Unknown error" messages after leaving slots 500-522 empty as well.

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:19 pm

HappyTed wrote:
It's all on the Fb group comments...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1587573334805635/

James Pullen Not that I think they will, but they can sue you into oblivion for doing this, especially as you've done it right in the middle of them launching the new sampler o.s.

James Pullen This guy did it right in the middle of a launch before we got a chance to offer the switch legitimately.

This might have been the plan, who knows. Hybrid OS? Choose your own adventure? Paywall update?

Weeks after the first reporting on the Edward Snowden docs, people working for the Obama administration claimed they were juuuuuuuuuuuust about to "reform" "some" of the NSA programs on their own. You know, a total coincidence, trying to make the leak seem pointless.

BUT MOM, I WAS RIGHT ABOUT TO START CLEANING MY ROOM!

James Pullen seemed genuinely confused and skeptical the hack video was real. I don't know how involved he continues to be. Maybe he got a briefing from HQ, maybe he's just semi-making stuff up. (He makes great music but he's being very authoritarian and throwing a tantrum on behalf of his sponsor. Intellectual Property, keep off the grass, legal threats. Very punk Rock, Mistabishi!)

It would be baffling to sue hobby-hack kids who are only generating buzz. You can't load the sampler OS without buying four hundred dollars of Korg hardware, no one is selling anything. No one is avoiding purchasing 2 machines, no one can run both OSs at the same time.

Korg does not communicate with it's customers other than 1-way marketing and "thank you for your input" - if this switch was the plan they sure are taking their sweet time about it. Have these things been out for a year yet?

Lack of communication encouraged the hack, which was way to easy from a security standpoint.

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:41 pm

Reading Pullen's latest rage-speckled screed against the hackers is somewhat depressing. See the relevant FB page.

He has one very good point (no one wants some kid to brick their e2) but there's ample warning. It has a high enough entry that casual brick-prone goofballs will give it a second thought.

But his petty "it's korg's Property, sample license, blah blah" - classic White Knighting for a corporation over the user community and their passion and curiosity. Pair that with his anger, it just looks sloppy.

Korg needs a well-briefed, polite, cool-as-a-clam person to act as community liason.

The days of releasing gear top down and controlling everything are over.

The "you can suck it" video might have kicked this off on an adversarial note but I laughed. It was aimed at people who said the hack wasn't real, not people who said it hurt the feelings of a corporation.

I've had my e2 FOR A WHOLE YEAR and it still has some baffling shortcomings, none of which were explained or transparent at launch, with zero ETA for fixes and updates. But step on a few toes, and we learn they were juuuuuuuust about to launch the glorious free unified superOS, if it wasn't for us meddling kids.

apapdop · Post by **apapdop** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:43 pm

I bloody hope that it ISN'T Korg's plan to officially have a dual-boot system. Because if it is, then i feel royally swindled out of 350 quid. I like both synth and sampler. I bought them both. I do not run them both at the same time, lack of dedicated space means i probably never will. I would be absolutely delighted if Korg announced FROM THE START that dual-booting was part of the grand plan, buy the synth version, wait a bit, enjoy it, then download the sampler OS when it's good and ready. I mean, how cool is that? Two machines in one box!! But no, we get some sketchy internet rumour bandied about a bit that hints at the possibility.

I DON'T NEED TWO BOXES IF ONE CAN DO BOTH JOBS THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!

Enjoy your hack people and again, my hat goes off to the brave souls who had the plums to try it out in the first place. But Korg, if this isn't what you had in mind then... i dunno... maybe tighten your s**t up a notch or two?

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:56 pm

People hack stuff. That's not Korg's responsibility, that's just human nature. Korg exists to sell hardware, and they do.

The Monotribe, Monotrons, Volcas, MS-20, Odyssey, other Korg gear - these things have all kinds of labeled patch points on the PCB. You void your warranty, but it's there for the adventurous modders and hack community. Turn your cheap MS-20 Mini into a PW-modulating, hard-syncing machine, just like the much more expensive MS-20m. Do they care? I don't know - did you steal your Mini from the Korg Store?

Yet jump the gun and do exactly what they supposedly plan on releasing later? It's some emergency that makes thier demo rep foam at the mouth and start talking legality and morality and dole out insults like any of this matters.

Korg sells hardware, hacks get buzz, buzz perks up awareness and sales. Then they outshine the hack with more features, everyone's happy?

Chapterhaus · Post by **Chapterhaus** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:16 pm

Ted3000 wrote: Then they outshine the hack with more features, everyone's happy?

That's what I'm hoping!

apapdop · Post by **apapdop** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:21 pm

I'm not bothered about people hacking stuff. It's up to them, they are a lot braver than me and it's not my thing in the slightest.

If Korg officially DO open up the dual-booting, then that should have been mentioned from Day One. NOT "You want both? Then buy both" until at some point in the near future their song changes to "You want both? Then just buy one and download this little doodah and voila!!... you've got both". That smacks of underhandness...