New Korg NAUTILUS !!

[entonio]

I'm sure there are all kinds of reasons for anything once one is set on finding them.
That's however a completely separate issue from what I was saying, which is that nobody would be complaining about the Nautilus if it were a rack version. Which in turn derives from the previous suggestion that one could just plug a MIDI controller into it.

[GregC]

your point and opinion did not escape me.

I simply pointed out the reality it would never happen, anyway . esp since several have made an assertion just like yours, for Kronos, etc, for years and years.

I go by data and convincing history on certain topics.

[KK]

I can't say that anyone would be complaining if this were a rack version.

Hi entonio,

There's someone who transformed a damaged Kronos into some sort of "reduced" version - link below.

http://www.synthify.com/Kronos_Module/2 ... 009_cr.jpg

[levioter]

Kronos has a lot of controllers too much to fit in a rack but Nautilus could be a great candidate "a la M3R" ! Everyone could dream isn't it ?

[Hedegaard]

The boot time may very well be mostly I/O bound.
What suggests the processor is the same is that noticeable UI lag.
I find it amusing that people assume it is better than the Kronos in some invisible way, such as processo power or sound quality. We've seen zero evidence of that. It has some minor improvements to the UI and for the rest it's worse in everything. Get that into your heads.

I tend to agree with you.

Looks like a repackaged Kronos even down to the unfortunately horrid 8" display in VGA quality.

I suppose its difficult to be innovative when they already practically have almost "everything".

I mean what other synthesis types are there?
There is so far inside the Oasis/Kronos/Nautilus:
FM type synthesis
Analog or at least analog emulator
Digital waveforms, like PCM
Some piano emulators and organ emulator
String emulator
Some vintage gear emulator - Polysix and MS20
Sampling capability

What other synthesis exists out in the wild? (emulation dosen't count)
Theremin type - I suppose can count for something.

So its difficult to innovate when there already exists the known types inside one package.

[leonh]

Paying more for less that is Nautilus simple as that either Korg think we are stupid or they know something we don't can anyone tell us that they planing to get Nautilus who cost only 250£ less than Kronos and why I would like to know why maybe I am missing something.

[GregC]

when it relates to new products, new keyboards, I bet Korg knows almost exactly what they are doing.

I am not impressed buy the spec, and the price seems high, but its really about presenting that great Korg sound.

Sure, there are some that are critical , or whatever, but that's typical when a new significant keyboard is introduced.

I have said this before, I weigh out the pro's and con's.

Plus we will start hear many more sound demos. That will impress. Thats Korg's
strength- the sound

[Hedegaard]

Sound is the same as a Kronos - no new synth engines, hence no new sounds.

[Hedegaard]

I am REALLY surprised Korg didn't add a "Function" button like they did on the Oasys - you know, one that didn't work.

A non-functioning Function button.

Thats all the Nautilus needs

[GregC]

Sound is the same as a Kronos - no new synth engines, hence no new sounds.

There seems to be a debate of what constitutes ' new sounds'

Korg has a sound voicing team. They take the sound engines, develop new Programs and new Combis.

I suppose some will say " No , that is not " new ". Or it is not " new enough ".

If the programs sound enhanced, due to creativity of uber talented Korg sound design people, plus the use of more and different FX, I consider those sounds to be " new ".

And what I am interested in is how much ' better ' the Nautilus programs/Combis will sound vs Kronos.

That evaluation will lend itself to opinion.

Some might say " I don't hear much diff",,,, or " Not different enough ",,,
or... " Kronos sounds just as good ". Or... " I don't care for whatever reason ".

We will be hearing more examples of the Nautilus Programs and Combi's.

The examples, if diverse and reasonably thorough, should help evaluation of the work by the Korg sound design/voicing done on Nautilus.

FYI, I trust my ears and do a lot of recording. And I think Kronos sounds great.

[KK]

My short analysis comparing a Nautilus and a Kronos :

• - As everyone noticed, several features and controls dropped. Therefore, the Nautilus should be seen as a Kronos little brother and not a K3.
  
  - Very strange that the smaller screen now lags, since of a similar VGA technology. Maybe a software update will fix this for the Nautilus buyers.
  
  - A cleanup and upgrade of the ROM has been done. Antique and rarely used samples make room for some additional sounds and drums, etc.
  
  - Some interesting new piano multisamples. Here too, other ones must be eliminated or reduced to accommodate the memory limits which are identical on both units, so the new Fazioli lost its una corda, etc. I personally prefer the old Fazioli for that reason.
  
  - I see the new dynamics knob as a patch to compensate the absence of user-defined velocity curves and limited existing ones from the Kronos.
  
  - Sound sources and engines are identical too, only the programs differ. I personally never rely on factory programs to evaluate a synth but instead look at the machine's programmability. Then I create the sounds I want myself. So in theory, both those Korgs have similar near limitless possibilities.
  
  - I suppose the new EXs could be available to buy in a few months, just like we have seen before with other models.

[Jan1]

For what it’s worth, there are no new engines but there ARE new sounds on the Nautilus: EXs301-314.

[KK]

Oh I just saw there are new forums here for the Nautilus and Opsix, etc.

[entonio]

Pals, don't keep missing the point. The Nautilus isn't a K3. Since the K2 is already so powerful, it would be very complicated to market a new K3. So they dumbed down the K2, so that it's easier to sell a future K3. The K3 will most likely have a new architecture and many of the improvements that you miss in the N. But to make way for the K3 they had to downgrade the K2. If it's not this, then they could have just continued selling the K2.
And don't compare the price of the N to the K2. The K2 won't be around much longer, if it's still being manufactured at all. When the K3 appears it will be more expensive than the K2 and the N will
see a price drop.
Re the types of synthesis, there's VL/PM, Kronos already has that but is missing wind instruments.

[robbie50]

For what it’s worth, there are no new engines but there ARE new sounds on the Nautilus: EXs301-314.

How do we (Kronos users) get this NEW sounds?
Will someone post them?

Greetings,

Rob