Kronos minus KARMA = Nautilus?

[alamo]

I dig the dark theme though, I hope that at least a kronos update could bring us that option

[fomalhaut]

And the new presets, I’d gladly pay for them

[entonio]

Re the small price gap, you aren't considering that a possible Kronos 3 with all the Nautilus improvements may be around the corner, for significantly more than a current Kronos 2.

[meatballfulton]

I'm a former Motif XF user. I was unhappy with the loss of the sequencer in Montage and of course the price! So I went ITB with the usual mixed results...more power with more complications.

Nautilus may not be a full Kronos but for my current needs...home hobbyist usage...$1999 isn't a bad price. More than a MODX, but with a real sequencer, audio recording, real AC supply...that's worth $600 to me. I wonder about the keybed, though.

The only thing that's a drag is that Korg also decided to do a $500 price drop on Kronos. If that's permanent, then it muddies the waters.

[theescapist]

Nothing to be jealous of other than maybe the new arps (since I haven’t figured out Karma sufficiently), but if I were buying today, a Kronos would be a tough sell. The key difference to me is the control surface. The programmable shortcuts are nice but long term I would hate to rely on that resistive screen even more for sliders, toggles, etc. The actual synth/workstation features look identical, just repackaged and updated for the smaller screen and fewer buttons.

[Liviou2004]

For myself, It would be cleaner and easier to assess the Product Spec document if I knew it was from Korg [ and/or its Distributors].

What is going on 'should' become more clear soon /in a few days.

The Nautilus manuals are available on Korg website : https://www.korg.com/us/support/download/product/0/873/

[wpostma]

Nautilus seems not very attractive for the price. Either pay a bit more and get a Kronos, or if you want something that seems cheaply built, just get a Krome.

I think the number one competitor to a NEW Nautilus would be a used Kronos, probably for less money.

The new ARP is a downgrade from Karma. It looks like the new ARP was stolen from Krome.

One thing that would make the Nautilus attractive is if you can plug an external class compliant midi usb controller like the Korg nanoKONTROL and then map those midi ccs onto the Nautilus. Something like that, could end up being very attractive.

I want something like Kronos that mixes in ableton-push like pads, and a dawless performance experience beyond anything in the current workstation market.

[tunaman]

After watching the loopop video I’m not seeing much of anything to make me jealous as a Kronos owner.

The thing that popped most for me is that I think I’d have either invested in a more responsive touch screen for this, or at least not removed the value slider. There were probably at least a dozen times in that demo where it took him multiple tries to select or change the parameter he wanted to change. Looks very frustrating. Kronos has this going on to some extent too, but it actually looks worse on Nautilus, possibly due to the display being smaller. On Kronos it’s also mitigated to some extent by the much larger control surface.

I agree. It looked cumbersome. I much prefer the Kronos' UI.

I watched all 8 of the Korg videos on YT today, and was not impressed. Many of the actions require two simultaneous key presses now on ambiguously-labeled buttons. Some of the UI updates appeared to be interesting, but it also appears you have to drill farther into many pages to accomplish what can be done with the Kronos today.

[GregC]

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The thing that popped most for me is that I think I’d have either invested in a more responsive touch screen for this, or at least not removed the value slider. There were probably at least a dozen times in that demo where it took him multiple tries to select or change the parameter he wanted to change. Looks very frustrating. Kronos has this going on to some extent too, but it actually looks worse on Nautilus, possibly due to the display being smaller. On Kronos it’s also mitigated to some extent by the much larger control surface.

I agree. It looked cumbersome. I much prefer the Kronos' UI.[/quote]

I watched all 8 of the Korg videos on YT today, and was not impressed. Many of the actions require two simultaneous key presses now on ambiguously-labeled buttons. Some of the UI updates appeared to be interesting, but it also appears you have to drill farther into many pages to accomplish what can be done with the Kronos today.[/quote]

the extra key press/steps and reported lag caught my attention, too.

Improving navigation has been a request for years. I am unsure how Nautilus improves navigation. I noticed some steps can be automated.

Jury is still out, IMO.

[SeedyLee]

I think the new arpeggiator is nice, as it also includes a step sequencer. The concept of scenes, and being able to change between them, is also nice and was a feature requested many years ago on the Kronos by some forum members.

The only other real advantage I could see (having looked through the parameter guide and operations guide) is that sequencer data is now automatically saved and reloaded at power off/on.

They are the only real differences I can see.

I hope the Kronos isn't discontinued though, or a new genuine flagship comes along. Mine is getting long in the tooth and I'm looking for a genuine upgrade, or at least the comfort that if mine dies, I can buy a genuine replacement.

[ITguy54]

I'm a former Motif XF user. I was unhappy with the loss of the sequencer in Montage and of course the price! So I went ITB with the usual mixed results...more power with more complications.

Nautilus may not be a full Kronos but for my current needs...home hobbyist usage...$1999 isn't a bad price. More than a MODX, but with a real sequencer, audio recording, real AC supply...that's worth $600 to me. I wonder about the keybed, though.

The only thing that's a drag is that Korg also decided to do a $500 price drop on Kronos. If that's permanent, then it muddies the waters.

According to the listings on Sweetwater for the Kronos, the $500 price drop is a "limited time offer".

[kronoSphere]

Yes: Karma is technically perfect but it is sorely lacking in musicality. 90% of the patterns offer no musical playability.
This Karma is perhaps too "adult": it lacks a kind of musical childhood ...