Two Tier Stand

danmusician · Post by **danmusician** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:46 pm

DaveKeys wrote:I use the K&M Spider Pro for band gigs, and the Baby Spider Pro for sit down gigs. Holds an RD700 on the bottom and a Kronos 61 on the top effectively, leaving plenty of room for pedals. They're also very good as you can adjust heights of the tiers to the millimetre.

Does the baby spider work for two keyboards in a seated position?

fjs714 · Post by **fjs714** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:03 pm

Hi Fellas,
Here's a heads up. I just got off the phone with Alex Morales at Sweetwater. I purchased the KS7365 IJ Pro for $99. Even on Ebay Sweetwater is asking $139. Alex said he had some wiggle room. There might be a couple left if anyone is in need
Frank

AdDeRoo · Post by **AdDeRoo** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:22 pm

michelkeijzers wrote:
AdDeRoo wrote:
michelkeijzers wrote: Advantage spider stand: looks cool, compact/easy setup, disadvantage: no space for bigger foot pedals
I can confirm this. Those Behringer FCB1010's probably don't fit underneath the K&M Spider Pro's. I made a custom-made board and attached my 5 pedals on it (2 sustain, 1 volume, 2 switches), which fits exactly underneath the SpiderPro
Yes, I use that Behringer, and would love to use the spider stand from K&M. But I use 2 pedals and like 4 switches regularly, so even a homemade pedal board would probably be too big.

Michel, actually upon carefully looking, the FCB1010 might even fit. Do you have the exact measures of the FCB, then I could check for you

Tomdini · Post by **Tomdini** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:00 pm

I've never bought an integrated two-tier because everything I've seen in person was too wobbly. Some of the stands pointed out in this thread, however, have caught my interest. I like those Spiders.

Z-stands have the benefit of a lot of clearance at the foot of the stand for pedals. They're also rock-solid, if your board is especially heavy.

When I buy a new board, I usually buy a QuikLok (or the GC clone equivalent, ProLine) heavy-duty double-brace X-stands, which can take a couple hundred pounds or more, and then I get the two-tier conversion kits (two adjustable arms and a center adjustable stabilizer bar). This way, I don't have a bunch of double tiers I don't always need. But when I do need them, my singles are easily converted. Plus, Sam Ashes and Guitar Centers are always somewhere nearby if I need a replacement part - it's a regular stocking item.

I don't have any problem spreading out my pedals out in front of the X-style stand, even though some fellow musicians have criticized my choice of stand for this reason. If the "foot" of the stand pokes out too far, I can simply place a pedal neatly on either side of it and keep laying 'em out. Sometimes my pedals are well in front of the stand and there is no conflict. Depends on what I'm playing and how I'm playing it.

Overall, this system has worked for me on the road. You can probably pick up the X-stand and double-tier kit for $100 out the door. Quite affordable. Like I said, it has the primary benefit of giving you a single- and double-tier option with rapid setup and break-down. Only downside is the height of the second tier is not adjustable, only the angle.

-Tom

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:40 pm

I've never had an X stand (single or double braced) that didn't jiggle/bounce some with a heavy board and vigorous playing.

Personally the most solid yet transportable option I've used is the K&M 18950. It's the table style. There's one with a fixed width that's a slightly better height if you're going for a more permanent setup for piano. The one I have has adjustable width but strangely the minimum height is a little higher than a regular piano (when you add the keyboard on top). It's not an issue for me because I'm quite tall and am actually more comfortable with it when I adjust my seat accordingly, but it's worth mentioning. Apart from that it's super solid, it doesn't move at all.

sP33DyEd · Post by **sP33DyEd** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:52 pm

K&M Spider Pro that we hear already a few Times in this thread was holding on top my Kronos 61 at the mid possition my KingKorg and bottom the Krome 88 and a tablet holder nice stand and verry stable but you have to put the supports on the right possition for the best stability. A sold some Korgs and on the bottom I have the Kronos 2 88 keys and had the Krome 88 on top was also nice but when you have an K88-2 then my Krome left the building not so long afterwards

DaveKeys · Post by **DaveKeys** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:43 am

danmusician wrote:
DaveKeys wrote:I use the K&M Spider Pro for band gigs, and the Baby Spider Pro for sit down gigs. Holds an RD700 on the bottom and a Kronos 61 on the top effectively, leaving plenty of room for pedals. They're also very good as you can adjust heights of the tiers to the millimetre.
Does the baby spider work for two keyboards in a seated position?

Yes it does actually - very well! The top tier is angled and the height adjustment can be set to any height, right down to the finest millimetre. The only thing you can't do if you're gigging with the Baby Spider is fold the 2nd tier arms into the body, as it's too short. I tend to gig with it as a single tier, and use it as a two tier at home.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:03 am

AdDeRoo wrote:
michelkeijzers wrote:
AdDeRoo wrote: I can confirm this. Those Behringer FCB1010's probably don't fit underneath the K&M Spider Pro's. I made a custom-made board and attached my 5 pedals on it (2 sustain, 1 volume, 2 switches), which fits exactly underneath the SpiderPro
Yes, I use that Behringer, and would love to use the spider stand from K&M. But I use 2 pedals and like 4 switches regularly, so even a homemade pedal board would probably be too big.
Michel, actually upon carefully looking, the FCB1010 might even fit. Do you have the exact measures of the FCB, then I could check for you

I don't have the FCB1010 around, but I checked on a website:

687x60x221mm

I (and possibly others) would be very interested to know if the SpiderPro would fit.

media-igor · Post by **media-igor** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:49 pm

I would recommend: http://www.thomann.de/gb/jaspers_2d145shr.htm. Very light and stable. Underfoot - completely free space (there, I place the pedal board). I use in the studio and in concert. Always sure of that stand! I also on the lower tier - Oasys 88, at the top - Kronos 61. Here I have attached a microphone. You can adjust the music rest, etc.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:57 pm

media-igor wrote:I would recommend: http://www.thomann.de/gb/jaspers_2d145shr.htm. Very light and stable. Underfoot - completely free space (there, I place the pedal board). I use in the studio and in concert. Always sure of that stand! I also on the lower tier - Oasys 88, at the top - Kronos 61. Here I have attached a microphone. You can adjust the music rest, etc.

Probably the link should be: http://www.thomann.de/nl/jaspers_2d_145_hr.htm

I have the small version of this one (with 120 cm width for two 61 keyboards), and I have problems with the stability of the lower tier (the screws somehow cannot be tightened fully). But the upper tier is still stable. Also, because of the 4 legs, it doesn't wiggle like e.g. an X-stand.
And plenty of space as media-igor already said. Maybe if I replace the screws it will be stable again.

media-igor · Post by **media-igor** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:05 pm

http://www.thomann.de/gb/jaspers_2d145shr.htm

media-igor · Post by **media-igor** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:08 pm

http://www.thomann.de/gb/jaspers_2d145shr.htm

tomto66 · Post by **tomto66** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:41 pm

How foldable is that Jaspers? How long does it take to set up and what space does it take when disassembled?

jeebustrain · Post by **jeebustrain** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:16 pm

tomto66 wrote:How foldable is that Jaspers? How long does it take to set up and what space does it take when disassembled?

I use that exact same stand live. However, I've modded it so the lower tier can face forward and replaced most of the load bearing clamps with gibraltar drum rack clamps (with memory locks) and replaced the upper tier arms with Gibraltar laptop arms (way more sturdy). I also replaced most of the plastic knobs with traditional wing nuts. If you want to keep it completely assembled, you can fold it together, but it takes up a lot of room laterally. I'll have to measure how much floor space it takes up assembled, but it's not that much more than what my Kronos 88 takes.

It sets up and tears down pretty easily if you take the time to get everything where you need and either mark or use memory locks (hose clamps work really well for some of them). I can tear it down in about 3-4 minutes and it all fits nicely into a lighting truss bag.

aron · Post by **aron** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:46 pm

I haven't been paying much attention to stands, but the Jaspers looks just like the old Ultimate A stands and the Spider looks like the Apex stands. I'm surprised there's no newer tech for keyboard stands.