KORG KIDDING US! PA3X IS BETTER THAN 4?

worth · Post by **worth** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:55 pm

[quote="AntonySharmman"]Sorry to interfere in this , but the frustration of a Korg client for a newer product is totally reasonable
for the obvious reason that he wants to replace the older with the newer , that's why we protest here !
I really don't give a dime for value for money , I just want to develop an arranger in the best possible
way with really nowadays features in any cost and now it seems that I have to wait for 3-4 years more
to see the real Flagship Arranger that only KorgPa can develop !
Therefore our real issue here is that we demand a more featured Korg arranger than this in 2015-16 year ![/quote]

Hi Anthony. I'd be really interested to know what basis you think any customer has the right to demand any feature from any instrument manufacturer whether they have been a customer in the past or might be a customer in the future given that

1. they did not create the product
2. did not provide the funding for its production
3. Have not done the sales projections or cost benefit analysis
4. Won't be responsible for its marketing or distribution
5. Don't have to take the financial hit if the product does not sell

I am amazed that someone in business to sell products does not think that value for money is a consideration from a customer's point of view .

Can I demand of you to provide me with features of your products that you decided not to include on your products regardless as to what you felt was s reasonable proposition ?

I am sorry but you and I differ on this point . It is childish to curse and rant as though korg let its customers down because they did not include a feature someone specifically wanted in a keyboard they may not even purchase !! Money talks louder than rants . If you don't like what is on offer don't buy . If you can't have what you want then that's how it is . This I want I want I want attitude as though there is some god given right owed to a customer is getting ridiculous . Each new keyboard seems to bring out the same foolishness

snoitan · Post by **snoitan** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:59 pm

I think it is okay to be disappointed, but yeah, being angry about it is a bit much. I think every keyboard release is met with a bit of "WTF?" and a bit of "that sounds nice".

Personally, I'd like to see Korg make an arranger that has a similar theme to the Kronos in that it starts with a PC architecture and upgrades to the actual machine are more about adding CPU power and RAM memory than OS features, which are released to all keyboards in the series.

But it probably doesn't make sense from Korg's standpoint to switch the PAx series to this type of architecture since (1) the PAx has its own audience and (2) the different architecture would require unique engines and perhaps a retooling of some sounds.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:16 pm

worth wrote:Can I demand of you to provide me with features of your products that you decided not to include

Though the word demand itself might seemed overestimated in the way I used it , the answer is Yes ,
when you're a frequent client that have invested over some Ks of bucks in my products and I exclude
features that are for granted in my library architecture , I give my clients the benefit to protest even to demand
my consequence as a developer !
Also my attitude for "value for money" is not considered as ordinary customer's point of view , its pure personal
and just declares that what I want , I just get it ... so simple and no hard feelings since I don't accept business lectures !

But returning to our subject , Pa4X , specs rumors have changed very close to our "demands" and the latest news
about Pa4X sound module EDS-X advanced streaming technology provides us the hope that our expectations are
fulfilled with collateral victims some Pa3X features ... so everybody will feel happy !

Giner · Post by **Giner** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:37 pm

I can't argue all that tech stuff, I'm just the keyboard player.

So basically it's the old ''win some, lose some''. That's okay, the Pa4X sounds pretty darn good from what I've heard so far. And if that has me reaching for my wallet, I'll be happy and Korg will be happy. Simple really, innit?

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:39 am

Two questions:

What does this poll suppose to prove again? What are all these votes based on so far? Maybe someone says no simply because they don't need it or can't afford it or ......same thing with the Yes group. Maybe they'll buy it just because they can or whatever. That doesn't prove anything at all !!!

DjStiky · Post by **DjStiky** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:57 am

Honestly, the biggest thing that let me down was no new way of easier SET management, like some sort of software.
Currently it is a NIGHTMARE trying to merge user styles that use user samples from different sets.

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:28 am

Sam wrote:What does this poll suppose to prove again?

Yes, I still ask the same question.
None of us have the PA4X details yet

Also, I think the poll question is misleading because, of course, the PA4X is worth buying - it is awesome BUT perhaps the POLL question (sensibly when we have all the finer details) should be something like:-
"Do you think it is worth upgrading from your PA3X/Le/PA900 to the PA4X"

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:06 am

karmathanever wrote:
Sam wrote:What does this poll suppose to prove again?
Yes, I still ask the same question.
None of us have the PA4X details yet
Also, I think the poll question is misleading because, of course, the PA4X is worth buying - it is awesome BUT perhaps the POLL question (sensibly when we have all the finer details) should be something like:-
"Do you think it is worth upgrading from your PA3X/Le/PA900 to the PA4X"

Yeah this poll is totally useless!

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:21 am

Well, a bit premature, anyway!

Until the full details arrive, all the hidden 'gotchas' and 'wow's' are revealed, who can possibly accurately opine, right now?

I must admit, stepping backwards in effects inserts does seem a bit dumb, though (am I reading him right?). It's not as if the voice architecture makes them redundant...

My friend has a PA3X... It will be interesting to see if he upgrades. The sounds alone might do it for him, but I have a feeling he was hoping for something a bit more in the arranger section. Mind you, saved Chord Sequences in the Songbook is a pretty damn good idea!

Maybe we need a new poll... "Is it too early to have a poll about the PA4X?"

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:37 pm

Maybe we need a new poll... Is it too early to have a poll about the PA4X?

+1

…. or start a wish-list for the PA5X???

Out of interest, how has your PA3X friend reacted to all this so far?

(Welcome back Diki)

Pete

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:34 pm

Well I'm Diki's friend, but not the one he's talking about, and I have a PA3x, in addition to Ketron SD7.
I am very interested in the PA4X. It address at the very least two of my "wishes" regarding saving the Chord Sequences and direct reading of styles from USB. I also like some of the sounds I'm hearing in the demos.
Looking forward to seeing what it really has aboard when it is finished and available!
It's a little early for TOO much speculation.
DonM

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:58 pm

I doubt he knows, he doesn't keep up with all this (gigging too much!).

I'm waiting until I hear a LOT more about the basic soundset and new sounds, and the streaming stuff before I'll give him a thumbs up or down, yet. On the whole, he's pretty happy. This might be a generation to skip, and see what the next one brings.

I also rarely ever go from one generation to the next, there's not often enough added to make it worthwhile. I'm definitely troubled by the drawback in insert effects architecture, as integral to the basic sound of many of the factory presets as it is...

eli125 · Post by **eli125** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:46 am

As an epilogue , I strongly believe that we have to discuss further after Pa4X Advanced Edit Manual release.[/quote] but u can still see the basic different between pa3 and pa4 beytheway korg wrote that it might be some changes than they wrote

eli125 · Post by **eli125** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:15 am

I'm happy for the new idea that I can play styels from a USB stick becose nobody can touch my styels anymore when I'm playing live not copying or louding and overwrighting my stuff when going out for a cigeret even the USB lock if you have all the keys u can open it so Good news but I still don't have the money for it I'm wrighting this becose I'm happy for thy who will buy it wishing all good luck

nitecrawler · Post by **nitecrawler** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:27 am

I find the sounds interesting and fresh. The ability to play sounds directly from the usb is great. There are a few other advances that are interesting as well. Then there are the "wtf" omissions like insert effects, etc. Overall, I don't think enough is evident now to warrant an upgrade for me. Like they say, the devil is in the details so maybe I can be tempted.

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