Hi guys,
Would there be an easy way to save changes to a "track's-volume" on a midi (SMF) file without using the Sequencer?
And, if I need to use the Sequencer what would be the correct procedure.
It's fairly easy to change the track volume in Song Play mode but volume changes are not saved, even when I use the save resources in the SB. SO I assume the right way would be to use the Sequencer, but again, it's not clear in the manual on how to get it done.....thx. Cheers.
Changing&Saving Track Volume on Midi File
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Reuben
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You can change the Master Volume of a midi file in Sequencer Mode as follows:
Load the Midi, Press Menu button, select Event Edit, change the bottom left tab from (say Track 1) to Master Track. Now touch the screen to bring up the Insert Menu, press Insert, (Tempo comes up by default), touch the word Tempo and change it to Volume with your dial, now touch the value and change it to a lower value (say from 127 down to 90 or whatever you think it needs), touch the position parameter and change it to the first measure if it is not this already. Press Exit button, play the file and check it is what you want.
Finally use top drop-down menu to Save the song.
I'm glad you asked this question because I wasn't sure myself if there was a way to do this. I used to manually adjust each Tracks volume and then save it.
One final piece of advice. Don't be tempted to use Song, Edit, Velocity as this is not what you want. (Velocity changes are different to Volume changes as the former will change the Timbre/Tone of many instruments that have velocity tonal adjustments built into their makeup).
Cheers,
John
Load the Midi, Press Menu button, select Event Edit, change the bottom left tab from (say Track 1) to Master Track. Now touch the screen to bring up the Insert Menu, press Insert, (Tempo comes up by default), touch the word Tempo and change it to Volume with your dial, now touch the value and change it to a lower value (say from 127 down to 90 or whatever you think it needs), touch the position parameter and change it to the first measure if it is not this already. Press Exit button, play the file and check it is what you want.
Finally use top drop-down menu to Save the song.
I'm glad you asked this question because I wasn't sure myself if there was a way to do this. I used to manually adjust each Tracks volume and then save it.
One final piece of advice. Don't be tempted to use Song, Edit, Velocity as this is not what you want. (Velocity changes are different to Volume changes as the former will change the Timbre/Tone of many instruments that have velocity tonal adjustments built into their makeup).
Cheers,
John
Editing/Saving Volume Changes to Midi
Many thanks John, this looks easy enough; I'll try it and post a result tomorrow.
I would assume then the same procedure will work for an "individual" track. That is the overall (master) volume is okay but we just need to increase the volume of a certain piano over the other tracks.
Following this logic, I guess we can control (change) the volume of each track separately or as a group using the Master Track.
While we're on this topic.....I believe it would make sense that we should also be able to "change" or substitute (or replace) any instrument on any of the midi tracks. For example if someone's preference was for a different kind of bass guitar etc etc
I would assume then the same procedure will work for an "individual" track. That is the overall (master) volume is okay but we just need to increase the volume of a certain piano over the other tracks.
Following this logic, I guess we can control (change) the volume of each track separately or as a group using the Master Track.
While we're on this topic.....I believe it would make sense that we should also be able to "change" or substitute (or replace) any instrument on any of the midi tracks. For example if someone's preference was for a different kind of bass guitar etc etc
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Changing the instrument or volume for a single track is usually very straight forward. You just touch the instrument name and navigate to a new instrument or touch the volume and change it with the dial then Save.
BUT some midi files (in my experience only 1 in 10) have volume events or instrument/program change change events in the track so you need to edit these out to make them work.
BUT some midi files (in my experience only 1 in 10) have volume events or instrument/program change change events in the track so you need to edit these out to make them work.
Changing Track Volume on Midi
Must be doing something wrong. The Master is set at max (127). What I would like, is to increase the volume of only Track 3. Yet when I try as suggested, the Volume option does not show up. The screen defaults to 'Note', with no option for Volume when rotating the dial.
I did the following: Menu>Event Edit>Track3>TouchScreen>Insert>Defaults to "Note". Rotating the dial brings up these other options: RXnoise,Prog,Ctrl,Bend,Aftt,PAft, but no Volume option.
Guess I'm !(&*$$#! out of luck.
I did the following: Menu>Event Edit>Track3>TouchScreen>Insert>Defaults to "Note". Rotating the dial brings up these other options: RXnoise,Prog,Ctrl,Bend,Aftt,PAft, but no Volume option.
Guess I'm !(&*$$#! out of luck.
Ok, this is just a midi file and not a Style , right?
Do you have multiple volume changes for Track 3 or just one? I almost never go to SongPlay mode for anything, so don't know what's in there, but if you load the midi in sequencer mode, you can edit lots of stuff pretty easily.
For volume changes, you would just drag the onscreen sliders up and down and then save the midi file. Use the volume changes to set the overall loudness, but for anything else use the Expression CC#11. (such as swells..etc)
Do you have multiple volume changes for Track 3 or just one? I almost never go to SongPlay mode for anything, so don't know what's in there, but if you load the midi in sequencer mode, you can edit lots of stuff pretty easily.
For volume changes, you would just drag the onscreen sliders up and down and then save the midi file. Use the volume changes to set the overall loudness, but for anything else use the Expression CC#11. (such as swells..etc)
Sam
Midi Track Volume Changes ???
Correct ! This is an imported midi file, not a style. There is only one, single change needed; ie. to increase the volume on Track 3 (curently at 50, s/b much louder--it's a piano intro). At this point the Master is at full (127), otherwise I would just jack up this track. Coming up empty right now. Any other suggestions? thx
Yes; I have been using the Sequencer mode to attempt the changes. Never in SongPlay mode.
Maybe it's just one of those Midi files that don't permit editing the volume ???
Sorry! I may be in over my head. I wish it was more intuitive. Seems like a simple task.....
Yes; I have been using the Sequencer mode to attempt the changes. Never in SongPlay mode.
Maybe it's just one of those Midi files that don't permit editing the volume ???
Sorry! I may be in over my head. I wish it was more intuitive. Seems like a simple task.....
I can't think of anything else. The only possibility is that you have other volume events in that track. If that's the case, then the volume slider will follow whatever information that's already programmed in the track. So the first step would be for you to make sure if Track 3 is actually clean. Then, you'll be able to use the volume slider and set it to whatever you want. It'll never move again...Of course, you would need to save the midi.
If that didn't work out for you, you can e-mail me the file and I'll check it out for you later tonight.
If that didn't work out for you, you can e-mail me the file and I'll check it out for you later tonight.
Sam
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OK - there must be a volume event in the Track if you can't change it simply by adjusting the front page volume.
You will need to look for a Ctrl 7 event under Event Edit of the particular track. So you will either need to Edit the single Ctrl 7 event to the level you want or if there are many Ctrl 7 events you will need to remove them.
The easiest way to look for these events is to filter out all the other events you are not interested in.
Touch the Filter Tab and tick everything except Control, then go back to Event Edit and you will see your Ctrl 7 (volume) Events.
If this is a piano Track then I can't imagine there is more then one Volume Event. Sometimes with strings and pads there will be lots of volume events bringing the sounds in and out smoothly.
Hope this helps,
John
You will need to look for a Ctrl 7 event under Event Edit of the particular track. So you will either need to Edit the single Ctrl 7 event to the level you want or if there are many Ctrl 7 events you will need to remove them.
The easiest way to look for these events is to filter out all the other events you are not interested in.
Touch the Filter Tab and tick everything except Control, then go back to Event Edit and you will see your Ctrl 7 (volume) Events.
If this is a piano Track then I can't imagine there is more then one Volume Event. Sometimes with strings and pads there will be lots of volume events bringing the sounds in and out smoothly.
Hope this helps,
John
Midi Track Volume Changes
Acutally guys, now that you mention it. I found it bizarre that in this case Track 3 starts out as a guitar, then almost immediately (after measure 2 or 3) the piano starts for the balance of the file. Didn't think this was relevant, sorry about that. So the track is not "clean", correct?
The obvious question for me is, how to clean it up? In the meantime I will try John's suggestion re: look for Ctrl 7 event in Track 3. Thanks guys.....
The obvious question for me is, how to clean it up? In the meantime I will try John's suggestion re: look for Ctrl 7 event in Track 3. Thanks guys.....
SUCCESS !!!!! Changed Track 3 Volume -THANK YOU
You guys are really amazing. Thank you John. It worked. I located the Ctrl 7 on the Event Edit page (after filtering out all the other garbage) and sure enough the value was right there looking up at me, "50". SO that was it!
Quite easy to increase the volume now.
I don't know how to show my gratitude, but your support is really and sincerely appreciated. We don't have many midis (~20) but f you like to try some I can send via email. They came from my singer who is a retired rocker from the 60's.
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Quite easy to increase the volume now.
I don't know how to show my gratitude, but your support is really and sincerely appreciated. We don't have many midis (~20) but f you like to try some I can send via email. They came from my singer who is a retired rocker from the 60's.
Here's is our web-site for your amusement. If you see something you like please email. Cheers and thanks again from Canada......Merry Christmas
http://leegottdank.webstarts.com/[/url]
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Dikikeys
There's actually a few DAW sequencers that have a 'Convert from Volume to Expression' macros that can be quite handy if you end up using a MIDI file that someone erroneously used Volume instead of Expression.
I'm not sure if the Korg can do that internally, but if it can and you want to keep the internal dynamics of a track but the Volume commands are preventing you making global increases or decreases, that's your answer...
I'm not sure if the Korg can do that internally, but if it can and you want to keep the internal dynamics of a track but the Volume commands are preventing you making global increases or decreases, that's your answer...