New Kronos features for older Kronos?

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:24 pm

Very true!
Here's my favorite use of it!
http://youtu.be/miBfwWHSmb8

genehart · Post by **genehart** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:18 pm

Francois wrote:Since I couldn't get a piano roll from Korg, I decided to make a piano sandwich.

yep , buy those elastic rubber roll-up keyboard and make a big rouleau

Fibcouple · Post by **Fibcouple** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:51 pm

Francois wrote:Since I couldn't get a piano roll from Korg, I decided to make a piano sandwich.

Very creative

Hope you didn't just play with it....

midinut · Post by **midinut** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:11 am

genehart wrote:
SanderXpander wrote:I mean I don't see how sympathetic resonance leads to scripting becoming available. There is already round robin behavior through wave sequencing by the way.
Kontakt is just an example, what I would like to be able to do in Kronos .
I have some great piano libraries for Kontakt , and some of them use scripts , I just want to reproduce them inside kronos ,
I wish there was a way to apply round robin not just for wave sequences , but for pianos . Kronos have different ways for many usual things I've accustomed to in vst samplers.

Just curious ... you say you have some great piano libraries for Kontakt. Which ones if you don't mind me asking? I own Komplete 9 Ultimate and I personally think the Kronos pianos blow them away. Even Giant and Alicia's Keys. Now, on the other hand, I bought the Ravenscroft and must admit, to my ears it kills all of them, including the Kronos. I'm looking forward myself to the new update to see what lies in store for us.

genehart · Post by **genehart** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:04 pm

Before kronos I had Studio piano LE , Estate Grand by Productionvoices and 8dio 1928 Legacy piano . I also like old Vintaudio upright pianos .
Also there is some very nice recorded pianos on the market that I know use RR (Imperfect Walnut grand and grand piano from Cinematic Keys) .

Davd C. Polich · Post by **Davd C. Polich** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:04 pm

The Kronos pianos already include a form of "scripting". When you push down on the sustain pedal, some different things happen. The "lid" position involves a form of scripting. It's always a simple matter of "when 'x' or 'x+y' occurs, the result is 'z'". Like Excel, in a way.

I don't use sampled pianos in any music production, by the way. I use Pianoteq V5. There's nothing else that behaves like it or sounds as good as it does. And it doesn't use samples. For live gigs, the Kronos pianos are fine for me.

Personally, I'd like the different color-coding for cells in a set list, as V3 seems it will ad, plus the ability to edit Combis or Programs from the set list. I don't care about the extra sample instruments. The new piano would be a nice option. Other than that, I don't see too much in the new Kronos or V3 software that doesn't already exist in the current Kronos.

One thing I hope to see is the "bug" in Combi mode where, if you edit a program at the program level, the edits don't carried over to any Combi that uses that program. You have to reselect the newly edited program in the Combi, which, until you do so, contains the "old" program. Then you need to re-save the Combi. This shouldn't happen and I'd like to see it fixed.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:15 pm

Davd C. Polich wrote:
One thing I hope to see is the "bug" in Combi mode where, if you edit a program at the program level, the edits don't carried over to any Combi that uses that program. You have to reselect the newly edited program in the Combi, which, until you do so, contains the "old" program. Then you need to re-save the Combi. This shouldn't happen and I'd like to see it fixed.

It's the other way around, actually: Combis use the edited version of the Program, not the stored one. Tone Adjust may mask this in certain instances, however. There's no bug here as far as I know.

NuSkoolTone · Post by **NuSkoolTone** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:35 pm

Davd C. Polich wrote:
One thing I hope to see is the "bug" in Combi mode where, if you edit a program at the program level, the edits don't carried over to any Combi that uses that program. You have to reselect the newly edited program in the Combi, which, until you do so, contains the "old" program. Then you need to re-save the Combi. This shouldn't happen and I'd like to see it fixed.

I don't view that as a bug, that's a feature! Means I get more mileage out of my programs. I can have the same basic program, make an extensive list of edits to it DIFFERENTLY in each combi. It's like getting extra program space for FREE.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:06 pm

I don't think we're talking about the same thing here. I have the same experience as David. If you select a combination that refers to, say, sound I-A015, then switch to program mode and select that program I-A015 and start editing it, then switch back to combi mode, the edits will not be audible in the combi until you reselect the program. I wouldn't really classify this as a bug, it has to do with the way the edit buffers are handled. But I see David's point and it could be "fixed".

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:32 pm

SanderXpander wrote:I don't think we're talking about the same thing here. I have the same experience as David. If you select a combination that refers to, say, sound I-A015, then switch to program mode and select that program I-A015 and start editing it, then switch back to combi mode, the edits will not be audible in the combi until you reselect the program. I wouldn't really classify this as a bug, it has to do with the way the edit buffers are handled. But I see David's point and it could be "fixed".

See my previous post. Edits to Programs are reflected immediately in Combis. Tone Adjust settings in the Combi may mask this.

crazylounyc · Post by **crazylounyc** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:40 pm

I would be happy with being able to edit my sequencer on an external device with a bigger screen. This would make the Kronos a beast. Not that it isn't already.

Davd C. Polich · Post by **Davd C. Polich** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:01 pm

danatkorg wrote:
SanderXpander wrote:I don't think we're talking about the same thing here. I have the same experience as David. If you select a combination that refers to, say, sound I-A015, then switch to program mode and select that program I-A015 and start editing it, then switch back to combi mode, the edits will not be audible in the combi until you reselect the program. I wouldn't really classify this as a bug, it has to do with the way the edit buffers are handled. But I see David's point and it could be "fixed".
See my previous post. Edits to Programs are reflected immediately in Combis. Tone Adjust settings in the Combi may mask this.

Dan, I really must beg to differ. Unless I'm losing my mind (quite possible, of course), a major edit to a program is not reflected in a Combi that uses it until you re-select it from within the Combi.

Try this - select an AL-1 program that uses two oscillators tuned to the
same octave. Edit the second oscillator so its pitch is +7 steps above the first oscillator, and store it. Now go to a Combi that uses that program. You will not hear the edited program with the oscillators set
to +0 and +7. You have to re-select it and then you will hear your newly edited program.

At least, that is what is happening on my Kronos. Would love it if I'm wrong or this is specific to my particular unit, because right now it is very annoying.

BillW · Post by **BillW** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:38 pm

I believe David is correct -- I've run into this issue many times. Maybe it got fixed in a recent update and I didn't realize it.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:10 pm

Davd C. Polich wrote:
danatkorg wrote:
SanderXpander wrote:I don't think we're talking about the same thing here. I have the same experience as David. If you select a combination that refers to, say, sound I-A015, then switch to program mode and select that program I-A015 and start editing it, then switch back to combi mode, the edits will not be audible in the combi until you reselect the program. I wouldn't really classify this as a bug, it has to do with the way the edit buffers are handled. But I see David's point and it could be "fixed".
See my previous post. Edits to Programs are reflected immediately in Combis. Tone Adjust settings in the Combi may mask this.
Dan, I really must beg to differ. Unless I'm losing my mind (quite possible, of course), a major edit to a program is not reflected in a Combi that uses it until you re-select it from within the Combi.

Try this - select an AL-1 program that uses two oscillators tuned to the
same octave. Edit the second oscillator so its pitch is +7 steps above the first oscillator, and store it. Now go to a Combi that uses that program. You will not hear the edited program with the oscillators set
to +0 and +7. You have to re-select it and then you will hear your newly edited program.

At least, that is what is happening on my Kronos. Would love it if I'm wrong or this is specific to my particular unit, because right now it is very annoying.

I've tested your specific example starting with an initialized Combi and an initialized EXi Programs, and it worked exactly as I described. The Combi plays the edited version of the Program, both before saving (when the Program is in the edit buffer) and after saving. My comments above are correct. With that in mind, see if you can figure out what's going on in your specific case - and it's not going to be "your unit," but rather settings in the specific Combi, probably Tone Adjust.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:11 pm

BillW wrote:I believe David is correct -- I've run into this issue many times. Maybe it got fixed in a recent update and I didn't realize it.

Nope, no changes. It works the way that I described, and always has. Note again the caveat: updates can be masked by Tone Adjust in the Combi.