How to organize Setlist in the Kronos?

pkarr · Post by **pkarr** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:07 am

Hi, I created a setlist per song, so i have about 40 setlists with the name of the songs, the patches... and now I would like to change the order of my songs setlist because I don't play the songs in the same order. I play with different bands... Do you know how can I do this? Thx for your help

narf · Post by **narf** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:34 am

A setlist per song seems a bit excessive. How many sounds do you have when playing a song? I have all my sounds for songs arranged in alphabetical order in one setlist. If I have gigs, I copy paste each slot to the order of our actual set for the evening in another setlist.

pkarr · Post by **pkarr** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:49 am

it depends the songs but in general 2 to 5 sounds but i have to switch from one to another during the song... So in a setlist, i have the sounds for verse, for pre chorus and chorus because it's alot of Pop songs i play. It was easier for me to have a setlist per song, like that i could manage them like i want. I thought I could create my setlist and then arrange them like I want in the setlist mode but i don't find how to do..

narf · Post by **narf** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:07 am

There are 128 slots per setlist which gives you a lot of room for at least a set's worth of songs, if you use up to 5 per song, rename the slots and give them the title of the song and number them accordingly. Eg Title 1, Title 2, Title 3 etc. Reserve the first or first few Setlists to accommodate all of your songs in alphabetical order. When preparing for a gig, just copy and past the slots accordingly. Alternatively, If you're happy with the way you arrange your setlists, you can use Michel Keijzers' PCG tools to do rearrange setlists on your computer.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:58 am

The whole point of a setlist is to arrange the sounds for an entire set into the order you want them. The entire workflow is geared to that. There is no quick way to change the order of all the setlists because it was designed with the idea that you would play an entire setlist of songs from beginning to end.
It's relatively easy to rearrange sounds within a setlist, although if you have a lot of songs with so many different sounds it gets a bit annoying. So I'm sorry to say that it seems this was not the best way to organize your sounds after all. I would recommend building a setup within one or two setlists.

Are they all unique sounds? Or a lot of recurring ones? I have one page in my "basic" setlist with my favorite piano, organ, rhodes, wurli and a few staple synth sounds and splits. If you really need to have 5 unique sounds per song and redo all your setlist work I'd also recommend MichelKeijzer's PCG Tools, but you'd have to do it on your computer.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:19 pm

I also am not sure why you would want to have one setlist per song. I find it much easier to just have one setlist per set. I have all the sounds in the order that I use them and just use my footswich to advance through each sound as I need it. I also have the sounds named first with the title or an abbreviated title of the song and then what part of the song I use that sound in, just in case I have a brain fart or something!

Also, this makes it easier to deal with if the singer decides to do something dumb, like change the order of the set while we are playing live instead of keeping to the agreed upon list.

I actually have to do some rearranging today for an upcoming gig.

I haven't got PCG tools yet but I think I'm going to.
Everything I hear about it is awesome!

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:19 am

I also use the set lists normally, meaning 1-2 set list slots per song we play.

With PCG Tools you can easily move set list slots, but not set lists. However, it would not be that difficult to do so maybe I will add it in the next version.

What you CAN already do in PCG Tools is copying complete set lists, but it does not yet copy the set list name so that might make it less convenient for you.

In case you want to go to the normal way of working (assuming you 'only' have 2-5 set list slots used per set list), is to move them in a few set lists. You can use the Compact feature of PCG Tools for that.

bsbsantos · Post by **bsbsantos** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:22 pm

I think there is no right or wrong in the one is using this feature.

I organize it the same way OP does, i.e., one setlist per song. Some songs uses lots of slots and other uses only 1.
It´s more logical for me (at least). Moreover, I dont need to be rearranging the slots every show. And also don't need to be concerned about setlist pages, as only 16 slots are available per page. What if you need to be selecting slots 16 and 17 back and forward?

Once I asked Michel to include the ability to sort the setlists on PCG Tools. Maybe it will never be implemented. While this I write the number of the setlist on the paper setlist for each show. (it is annoying too).

Nevertheles, I am open go new ideas. As many of you are using one setlist for the entire show and it seems to be working, I'll give it a try.

Bruno

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:27 pm

bsbsantos wrote: Once I asked Michel to include the ability to sort the setlists on PCG Tools. Maybe it will never be implemented. While this I write the number of the setlist on the paper setlist for each show. (it is annoying too).

I can imagine this is annoying indeed. Sorting is quite some effort (I did it for set list slots though). However, for moving up/down set list slots that should not be too much effort. Would it help you to implement that?

bsbsantos · Post by **bsbsantos** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:28 pm

Michel,
Moving up/down setlist slots would make no difference for me, because I am using one setlist per song.
However, if I change the strategy and start using only slots, this feature would help.

thanks,

Bruno

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:32 pm

bsbsantos wrote:Michel,
Moving up/down setlist slots would make no difference for me, because I am using one setlist per song.
However, if I change the strategy and start using only slots, this feature would help.

thanks,

Bruno

Sorry I made a mistake, I meant: would it help to move up/down set lists (including moving the set list slots inside).

(PCG Tools already supports moving up/down set list slots, but not yet set lists or banks). I think I can reasonably easy add support for moving up/down banks and/or set lists.

The only 'issue' I see is that moving up/down banks that might end up in a MOSS bank (for Tritons) might cause a problem.
I also am not sure if I can move up/down (i.e. change) a HD1 and EXi bank. Otherwise a HD1 bank will be moved with the next HD1 bank (and vice versa for EXi banks).

For set lists there are no constraints.

jeebustrain · Post by **jeebustrain** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:26 pm

bsbsantos wrote:I think there is no right or wrong in the one is using this feature.

I organize it the same way OP does, i.e., one setlist per song. Some songs uses lots of slots and other uses only 1.
It´s more logical for me (at least). Moreover, I dont need to be rearranging the slots every show. And also don't need to be concerned about setlist pages, as only 16 slots are available per page. What if you need to be selecting slots 16 and 17 back and forward?

I don't think I could do this in my band - most of the time there is literally no time between songs (each set is continuous) and I rely on my pedal to get thru the changes. If I had to go to the LCD to change setlists between the songs, I would get totally lost.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:37 pm

If you need to move between slot 16 and 17, just use the hardware increment/decrement buttons.

jeebustrain · Post by **jeebustrain** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:13 pm

SanderXpander wrote:If you need to move between slot 16 and 17, just use the hardware increment/decrement buttons.

or use a footswitch pedal.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:30 pm

That only lets you go one way though, unless you have a comprehensive midi pedal like the FCB1010