Kronos X sound quality?

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Ned
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Post by Ned »

What is this eh ?
To be honest some people on here need to check themselves as they come across badly, if you disagree then why not just say so and give your reasons..its all fair enough....

However...

what are you into Jimboy ... coming on and calling people clueless chickens ? what is that about ? no need for that kind of talk really is there. why not just make your point without the nasty element....it does not make you look good at all ;)
Jim quote :
"And what you call "tests", godparticle, is certainly nothing I would dare calling "tests". "
Yeh really ?.....when did you ask Godparticle exactly what his "tests" consisted off eh ? i don't think you have, so how do you know the full extent of what he has done. he might of done very little..but he might of done lots of testing.. i don't know as i have not asked him exactly what was in the tests...and neither have you ... which for someone who requires hard facts as you say..you seem to draw conclusions based on very little yourself...

Riguel next ...to quote : "Godparticle, it seems to me that you don't have the faintest idea about the differences between K and KX"
Just what bit of info that the op has written are you able to ascertain that from exactly, that makes you think he has not got the faintest idea ??
Fair enough if you disagree but is that any way to go about it... i think not...

Sanders response : "This is ridiculous.
Not even sure which filters the OP is referring to, there are no analog ones and the digital ones are different for each engine."
So actually as it reads ...you do know what filters the op is talking about then don't you... ;)
i.e the digital one's on the different engines that you refer to.. which would make sense as to there being no difference in some engines vs a difference in say..the polysix, as they all have their own individual digital filters..
Point is, why even be like this about it... why not try to educate people on here about the digital filters and tie in your argument whilst passing on the knowledge to others....rather than lambasting them when you already seem to know what he is referring to in the first place...

what is with the tone of the responses and the "Attitude" from you guys eh ?
I would of expected better from some of the more knowledgeable members.
Godparticle was talking about maybe a possible improvement in sound..which would be good for all of us and i don't see why people would take this line of recourse. which in turn has got him responses in ways that make some of you come across like not very nice people at all...

Why not take a more constructive approach like say Bertotti for example or Burningbusch or Mike-Pol.... their responses are more like it and is what a forum should be like....... you could maybe learn a bit of decorum from them.

or even at a push Gregc's responses ...which are more humorous in content than nasty...
and by the way Greg.. " i got 20 acres and you got 43.. Now i've got a brand new combine harvester and i'll give you the key " ;)

Its a good job korg told us about the organ updates or we'd still have some people saying that nothing had changed...

Also there was another thread from someone (genehart) saying that after the firmware update they thought that the kronos sounded better... and that was before they had updated to version 2 patches ;)

But whatever...either way.. whoever is right or wrong.. lets have a bit of respect eh fellas for whom you are replying to as we are all striving for the greater good in the end ;)
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Ned wrote:What is this eh ?



or even at a push Gregc's responses ...which are more humorous in content than nasty...
and by the way Greg.. " i got 20 acres and you got 43.. Now i've got a brand new combine harvester and i'll give you the key " ;)

Its a good job korg told us about the organ updates or we'd still have some people saying that nothing had changed...

Also there was another thread from someone (genehart) saying that after the firmware update they thought that the kronos sounded better... and that was before they had updated to version 2 patches ;)

But whatever...either way.. whoever is right or wrong.. lets have a bit of respect eh fellas for whom you are replying to as we are all striving for the greater good in the end ;)
is this a great forum or what ? Where else would someone quote the great Melanie ( combine harvester song) ?

I am on a great search for that midi file to prove my 88 Kronos sounds better today ;)
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Post by SanderXpander »

I don't think I've attacked anyone personally. I've called the thread ridiculous, if that's offensive to someone I'm sorry, but I still feel that way.

And I really don't know which filters the OP is talking about because he hasn't specified and there are nine different digital filters. But since, again, the software is entirely identical, I don't really understand what he means.

As far as testing goes, he simply said he "hears a difference".

But continue on, I merely wanted to point out I don't mean to offend.
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Post by Rigel »

I checked my reply. It is very rude, I agree. Sorry for that... :oops:
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Post by jimknopf »

So far we got
- no facts
- no serious observations
- no serious testing as proposed by Bush
- not even an initial good reason for even beginning to investigate

It is up to the original poster to either deliver something substantial, or live with the fact that most of us have problems taking this kind of talk serious.

In the first case we have something to talk about - otherwise certainly not.
Sorry if that sounds harsh or for some "clueless" comment above, but that`s how I look at it.
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jimknopf wrote:So far we got
- no facts
- no serious observations
- no serious testing as proposed by Bush
- not even an initial good reason for even beginning to investigate

It is up to the original poster to either deliver something substantial, or live with the fact that most of us have problems taking this kind of talk serious.

In the first case we have something to talk about - otherwise certainly not.
Sorry if that sounds harsh or for some "clueless" comment above, but that`s how I look at it.
Don't overlook the ' secrets' employees are hiding from us Kronos owners ;)

This cannot be proved or disproved ( amateur lawyer talk)
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Post by danatkorg »

The KRONOS and KRONOS X use the same output circuitry, analog and digital. All of the synthesis and effects algorithms are identical. The software is identical. Because of all of this, the audio quality will be identical. There's always the possibility of extremely minute variance between any two units (regardless of "X" or not) due to parts differing within their specified ranges of tolerance. Other than that, any perception of difference will be entirely within the mind of the perceiver.
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Post by Diego5150 »

Why not take a more constructive approach like say Bertotti for example or Burningbusch or Mike-Pol.... their responses are more like it and is what a forum should be like....... you could maybe learn a bit of decorum from them.

or even at a push Gregc's responses ...which are more humorous in content than nasty...
and by the way Greg.. " i got 20 acres and you got 43.. Now i've got a brand new combine harvester and i'll give you the key " ;)


Also there was another thread from someone (genehart) saying that after the firmware update they thought that the kronos sounded better... and that was before they had updated to version 2 patches ;)



Then there is that guy Diego5150 he tries to keep things light. At least he does not blow his own horn!!
That to me would be the last straw.
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Post by SanderXpander »

Thanks for reiterating, Dan. I trust your extensive knowledge of the Kronos product line through your position at Korg will lend enough weight to the argument to end this.
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Post by Ned »

Thanks Dan,
You have confirmed what i thought which is why i said initially in my first post that i didn't think it had anything to do with whether it is a kronos original or a kronos X.

My thoughts were it has to do with the firmware and software updates, so,

Have there been any refinements in any of the sound engines in the firmware or software updates ( other than the organ which we know about ) which would affect the sound in any way compared to the old firmware and software ?

I know you said that the software is identical on both machines...but obviously the old firmware is not identical to the new firmware, likewise with the software.

Regards,
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Post by ed_f »

danatkorg wrote:The KRONOS and KRONOS X use the same output circuitry, analog and digital. All of the synthesis and effects algorithms are identical. The software is identical. Because of all of this, the audio quality will be identical. There's always the possibility of extremely minute variance between any two units (regardless of "X" or not) due to parts differing within their specified ranges of tolerance. Other than that, any perception of difference will be entirely within the mind of the perceiver.
Thank you, Thank you for weighing in on this one! :wink:
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Post by danatkorg »

Ned wrote:Thanks Dan,
You have confirmed what i thought which is why i said initially in my first post that i didn't think it had anything to do with whether it is a kronos original or a kronos X.

My thoughts were it has to do with the firmware and software updates, so,

Have there been any refinements in any of the sound engines in the firmware or software updates ( other than the organ which we know about ) which would affect the sound in any way compared to the old firmware and software ?

I know you said that the software is identical on both machines...but obviously the old firmware is not identical to the new firmware, likewise with the software.

Regards,
The KRONOS firmware has no affect on the sound. Software updates have contained various minor bug-fixes for AMS modulation, which would affect the way that a sound responded to modulation - but not the audio quality itself. We write release notes for every update, and they're on the website right alongside the software updates; you can download them and see the details for yourself, if you're curious.
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Post by Ned »

Thanks for that Dan,

That has sorted everything out for sure now.

How wrong i was :D

Hhhmmm, i'm sure i can smell beef around here ;)
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Post by Purusha »

..and let's not forget that the 88 key version sounds better than the 61 key version. More keys innit!

:lol:
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Post by neomad »

After all, perceived sound quality is a strictly subjective notion...
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