padking wrote:I wrote some posts on ''repackage'' but
not as far as hardware was concern ,
the Kronos is not the ''same'' synth
as the Oasis, only problem I had, was with
the original combis set of the Kronos which
was the almost replica of the oasis, that
really bug me. ( don't really know about the programs)
As far as the hardware is concern it's a big evolution (except for the screen angle and
the %#%$&?%*)(_)( small fonts of the
inteface.
You pay 3000$ and you don't have original
sounds? And Korg is selling all new Programs
and combis...... well It's hard for me to
swallow!
Padking
Respectfully I must disagree. Yes there are many sounds duplicated from OASYS. After all, except for EP-1 and SGX-1, OASYS had all of the other engines, but, here's the thing: OASYS owners PAID for the EXis and we get them for free. The OASYS was released at 8000 USD which many simply could not afford. Now, you would certainly have a real complaint if Korg had duplicated the sounds of the M3 or M50.
But most of all: the Kronos is a series of powerful synths, not a preset box like a Yamaha PSR. You have all the power to create new sounds and tweak existing sounds to your liking. There are tons of free downloads if you don't want to program or tweak and you don't want to buy sound sets. The OASYS is STILL an extremely powerful instrument and to my estimation at least, what better way to show Kronos off than to introduce us by incorporating the sounds of the very powerful OASYS?
The Kronos does other things OASYS cannot do even if you dismiss the EP-1 and SGX-1. OASYS does not have user streaming of samples and in fact no other workstation on the market has this capability. That alone is huge. The SSD is also another huge improvement. Korg shattered the megabyte paradigm of workstations. (Technically, Roland did first with the Fantom X, but, you had to add in more RAM and SRX cards to reach one gigabyte).
Are Rolands and Yamahas crappy workstations? Not at all! I still am amazed by the so-called "obsolete" Fantom X. Am I limited at all to creating the sounds I want just because Roland in the X borrowed quite a few patches from the Fantom S and the FA-76 which is a 64 polyphony XV-5080 (compared to the 128 on XV-5080) with keys? Nope. Same with Yamaha. The only thing that limits me is the synthesis architecture of each instrument. Truth be told however, I still haven't and probably never will exhaust the possibilities of any instrument I own and neither will you.
Also, you speak of being bugged that Korg sells new sounds as if Korg is the only manufacturer to do this. Before the Integra-7, the only way to get the SRX cards was to buy them - at 200 USD or more a pop nowadays which means that IF you got all 12, you have almost bought a Kronos!
Kurzweil released KORE 64. Whether you choose to buy these or not is your choice. Each company has given you considerable power to create.
Maybe you could put a positive spin on this: you paid 3000 USD for a workstation that is more powerful than any other workstation being produced today. It's only real competitor is its predecessor OASYS which BTW is not obsolete in any sense of the word. How about the fact that your 3000 USD Kronos has the power that 20 years ago was perhaps only available with 5 figure Fairlights and six figure Synclaviers?
No flame intended Padking, truly. I am not about getting nasty. But I just get your argument on any level. You could post the same thing in a Roland forum for the G; a Yamaha forum for the XF (which is more expensive than Kronos BTW, at least in the EU), and a Kurzweil forum about PC3.
Please don't take this final statement as being mean, okay? The Kronos is a synthesizer - actually a number of synths. Synthesizers are made to be programmed such that they become uniquely yours. Sorry, but the term original sounds implies sounds that you have created.
Oh, someone commented about fanboi posts. I will assume I am one of those people who seem like a fanboi. Far from it, I have THREE Rolands, two Korgs, a Yamaha, and a Kurzweil. But I do defend Kronos here because I am surprised that some people are taking for granted the amount of work that went into developing Kronos and the instrument has been out for two years and people already want a next gen? Sorry but that makes no sense. Fantom G users have been waiting for MUCH longer and we Kurzweil users have been waiting longer than that. So why are we still playing our Fantoms (G, X, S, FA-76), Yamahas (XF, XS, ES, original), and Kurzweils (K2xxx and PC3 and PC3/K series)? Because these are musical instruments. And no I DON'T buy the argument that unlike guitars, keyboards lose their value and become obsolete. They might lose their monetary value is SOME cases - but go ahead and try to buy a Jupiter 8 or an Oberheim Matrix 12 - but no musical instrument ever becomes musically obsolete. The technology does play a part but it plays no part in terms of musicality. People are still using Juno-106 in rigs with today's best instruments.
I'll say it again: we keyboard players are spoiled and I include myself too; I'm no saint among the sinners! People bitched that the Jupiter 80 was not a real Jupiter. That makes no sense especially when the very same people were crowing for a Jupiter 8 re-release for the 21st century!
Yes, I agree that the flat screen on Kronos is problematic especially in a live playing situation because I am restricted to placing Kronos in my rig where I can see the screen. Do I wish Korg had angled the screen ala Jupiter 80? Yep! But Korg didn't. I deal with it and create music.
Sorry for the rant. But the original sounds thing really knocked me for six.
Best,
Vlad
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