Its time for me to say good bye

[Corgy]

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After playing with Omnisphere, I decided as I have Komplete Ultimate too, I would be better off going the soft synth route, plus with the money I have left over I can buy some more soft synths if I felt the need. Maybe I might buy the Stylus RMX if it does what I think it does and can sort of replace Karma...

Don't say good bye as Sharp posted.

BTW ... like you I think, having softsynths and softsamplers around is of great advantage and I suppose, it's the future.

Having no experience with Omnisphere but a some with Komplete combined with quite a heap of very good softsynths and other plug-ins I would like to say that softsynth riggs do not provide the same coherence as KRONOS.

I have a simple soft-rigg, for example, used for live performance. It consists of a controller (Novation), a notebook, and an external audio interface and is managed by a quite stable VST-Host (Forte). People say that it sounds incredible, but you have to prepare and cross-check a lot in advance to be save.

Having both of these worlds available I would not like to miss the one nor the other. With Kronos I found it much more easy to catch an idea as with my PC based systems - okay if it's running already - and to put all the bells and whistles to a musical idea I swap over to the soft-world.

[Sparker]

I too have enjoyed your posts.

at the end of the day hardware or software or hybrid they are all tools for what you want to be doing ... enjoy your music making (and piano playing) ... I'd conjure that we shall hear from you again ...

[pedro5]

Understandable news that you've decided to change keyboards,but please do keep us informed how you get on with it.

As others have said,we are all friends here with a common interest of making / enjoying music and although you may not own a Kronos,(for now,that is… )your input is important.

Best Wishes Joe.
Enjoy your new instrument !!

[Scott]

I can understand this, especially if you're primarily into "traditional" sounds. To me, the biggest advantage of the Kronos then is as a self-contained gigging board, everything at your fingertips, in a fast, simple, ergonomic setup. At home, you can beat its sounds with a computer. And the MP10 is kind of the reverse... its biggest advantage is in a stay-at-home environment where your focus is mostly on a high quality action. At 70 pounds plus a travel case, I wouldn't want to be bringing that to very many gigs!

[summers2]

Good luck with your new unit, Ojustaboo. I hope you enjoy it. Alack and alas, there were many problems with the Kronos for apparently many people. Clearly you tried to work with Korg, and as a matter of fact, they tried to make corrections. Sometimes you just can't get there from here so to speak. They need to start from scratch.

I didn't buy a Kronos because of the comments which you and others made in this forum. I bought a Krome(with which I am very satisfied)because of the efforts(as expressed by you) that Korg gave to you and some others toward correcting problems.

I am still glad that I did not buy a Kronos. Thanks.

Best wishes to you every day.

[EXer]

I guess you'll be back with stronger fingers than ever: a Kawai digital piano is a pianist's gym

[levioter]

Goodbye Ojustaboo !
But I think you will regret the pure power of the Kronos !
So I would better say "see you later" than "goodbye"

Cheers

[Ojustaboo]

it's a different approach but with a good masterkeyboard and Omnisphere and the Komplete suite i'm certain that you won't miss the kronos. That's also a killer computer setup.

Stylus RMX has nothing to do with KARMA like functionality, Stylus can create groups of rythmic samples from loops and mix them together to a create a new loop and chop them up in seperate samples which you can play with a midi template (or random generated hits). I think it's a fantastic program for drums.

I hope you find what you are looking for in your new setup, that's the most important thing for a musician that you keep inspired to use your gear. What kind of gear this is irrelevant as long as it keeps inspiring you

And i hope you keep posting, i always enjoyed your posts which were critical some times but always had good arguments.

Many thanks Qui I'm still deciding on the Stylus RMX as I'm useless at playing drums (its the one thing that always sounds worst in anything I do)

I also have Cubase 7 and today loaded Halion Sonic Se for the first time ever (I know, should have tried it ages ago) and that also has some great sounds.

I will carry on posting, when I said its time to say good bye, I meant to Korg, not this forum, I just wont be on here as much no longer owning any korg products (well nanopad 2)

[Ojustaboo]

Good luck with your new unit, Ojustaboo. I hope you enjoy it. Alack and alas, there were many problems with the Kronos for apparently many people. Clearly you tried to work with Korg, and as a matter of fact, they tried to make corrections. Sometimes you just can't get there from here so to speak. They need to start from scratch.

I didn't buy a Kronos because of the comments which you and others made in this forum. I bought a Krome(with which I am very satisfied)because of the efforts(as expressed by you) that Korg gave to you and some others toward correcting problems.

I am still glad that I did not buy a Kronos. Thanks.

Best wishes to you every day.

My X is a very nice instrument and I'm sure the new owner will get many years of enjoyment out of it.

Its just that emotionally, something didn't click, having two faulty originals, not being happy with the way Korg has dealt with things over all (Korg UK were good, could have been better which they admitted, but were very good and did offer to compensate me with the offer of a trainer coming to my house), seeing other peoples experiences, I just could not enjoy my Kronos as I should have, rather than playing it, I was finding myself looking for faults. And little things like their attitude towards a 64 bit editor etc.

And I liked to think Korg has changed and as I said the number of problems now is incredibly small, however when anyone seems to get one, they seem to go through hell trying to get it fixed.

Some people have had a few problems with their Kawai pianos including the MP10 but as I've constantly said, its more how companies act when there is a problem than whether problems appear.

The Piano shop I bought my MP10 from, took it out of the box, updated it to the latest firmware, checked every single key etc before they let me pick it up yesterday, so that gives me extra peace of mind.

But those people that have had problems, Kawai have been very quick to act, sending technicians to their houses etc. They even recalled a whole batch of MP10's over some manufacturing problem, getting the entire batch out of the supply chain as quickly as possible.

In fairness, one MP10 owner I read about had something like 6 MP10s due to problems, the first one being the delivery companies fault, so it does happen to other manufactures, the difference is, that's an extremely rare customer experience (and may have been when they did the recall, not sure) as opposed to people on this forum in the last 8 months that have had problems, often being without for weeks and usually having 3 or 4 replacements/repairs before its fixed (and sometimes not managing to get it fixed).

As I've said before, its my overall opinion of Korg as a company that's stopped me buying the ms20 mini and sadly the piano shop I bought my MP10 from that was mainly a piano dealer (mainly acoustics, many DP's only a couple of stage pianos) commented on how Korgs quality isn't what it used to be (the second music store to tell me this) , they even had the RH3 key demo thing with the 4 or 5 keys on and I could make them rattle playing lightly, and he said they have very cheap Yamahas that feel more like a piano than Korgs 4 times the price, he then got me to play on a few Korgs then a few much cheaper Yamahas and he was right.

Ah well, I'm not meaning to try to put people off their Korgs, it's not that the Korg keybeds were bad to play, its just that they were the least like acoustic pianos for feel, which is what I personally am after.

I've had some great korg machines over the years and I truly hope the purchaser of my Kronos enjoys it for many many years.

[SanderXpander]

I don't mean to derail this thread entirely, but I get really tired of "accusations" that a certain keyboard is much more like an acoustic than another. Obviously the discussion doesn't involve unweighted beds but once you go weighted I believe all the major and most minor brands do well and the rest is taste. There is such a huge variation between acoustics too, and nobody complains that they "don't feel like an acoustic", for obvious reasons. Only a month or so ago I had a Motif XS8 next to a Yamaha C6 grand. You'd figure if any two should be close it'd be those, right? Nothing could be further from the truth. The Motif was so much more plasticky, didn't bounce realistically, etc.
Yet put that same Motif on its own on a good sound system and many people will claim it's incredibly piano like, Yamaha has a hundred years experience building real pianos etc etc.
My K88 and the Bechstein I played next to each other a couple of months ago felt much closer to each other.

That's not to say either of them is better than the other. The XS8 has a really nice keybed, though I personally prefer the one on my K88. I also quite like the keybed on my Nord.

You should definitely play something you like. And build quality should not be in question, I know you've had your fair share of problems with that. But to say one manufacturer has clearly the more piano-like feel is misunderstanding what the range of keybed feels is on actual pianos. If you really want to learn "the piano", you're probably best off getting one.

[Ojustaboo]

Fair point, I apologise.

Personally when I tried the Nord that loads of people like, I couldn't stand the action, so it is as you say taste.

Just to make sure I'm being understood, I wasn't meaning to put the Kronos action down, I really liked the action on the Kronos, far preferred it to the Nords and Yamaha's in the local music shop (I just personally like the MP10 so much better, but then again I'm paying a lot of money for an instrument with just 27 sounds, as I'm mainly paying for the keybed).

In the piano shop, whatever Korg keybed they showed me felt nothing like the Kronos one. it wasn't a very expensive Korg but the very cheap yamaha ones he showed me did feel better in my opinion, but the Kronos would beat either of them.

[SanderXpander]

Well no need to apologize, sorry if I sounded harsh. It's just a pet peeve of mine. And I don't really mean that you can't prefer one action over another, like I said I think you should play something you like and tastes will differ. I play a lot of different grands, uprights and electrics throughout the year and have my preferences too.

But there are people basing their decision whether or not to get a parcticular board on the idea that it plays "the most like an acoustic", so I always feel the need to point out it's mostly subjective. Whether person A feels it's "a lot like an acoustic" might say more about how much it's like the piano they played as a kid, for example.

But to get back to the opening post of this thread; I really do hope you will enjoy your new setup, and that you'll be spared the same kind of trouble you had with your Kronos

EDIT: And I also did mean that last line in my previous post; if you're really serious about "learning the piano", you're really best off getting one. It's the only thing that will let you really learn the feel of an acoustic instrument, no amount of samples or sympathetic string resonance or whatever features and whathaveyous can compete with the actual feel of an acoustic piano vibrating beneath your fingers and in front of you. Anything else is bought for convenience (easier to record well, less noise, midi, portability, etc..).

[Ojustaboo]

EDIT: And I also did mean that last line in my previous post; if you're really serious about "learning the piano", you're really best off getting one. It's the only thing that will let you really learn the feel of an acoustic instrument, no amount of samples or sympathetic string resonance or whatever features and whathaveyous can compete with the actual feel of an acoustic piano vibrating beneath your fingers and in front of you. Anything else is bought for convenience (easier to record well, less noise, midi, portability, etc..).

If I didn't live where I live (my house is sandwiched between two others, all sort of joined on to each other) I would have an acoustic by now.

[Saxifraga]

Have a good time with your MP-10!

I am a little bit sad that the Kronos did not do it for you in the end and hope I was not to much a culprit (?) in spoiling it for you.
Maybe you, just like me, wanted too much from one instrument. But I think your decision is for the best. I just wonder why you did not go for the Viscount Physis Piano? It's great! There are now models H4 and H5 with Midi master keyboard functionality.

Have fun! Wish you all the best from Berlin!

Your M3 still works fine for me!

[carmol]

I can understand Ojustaboo point of view.
I owned a Kronos 73, I never fell in love with RH3,
nor the weight of the keyboard,
but I was quite lucky to find someone near me
that wanted to change his quite new K61 (plus some money) with mine.

So now I am happy to go jigging with a lightweight Kronos,
in live I really dont need weighted Keys, and can arrange with 61.
I find Kronos synth action keybed very good, very quick (contrary to RH3)
and well responding, I can play fine piano as well as synth parts.
For home, with money I recovered and I will recover selling other gear,
I will buy a weighted master or a stage piano
like casio Px5s..
I think this is a good alternative for those like
me who have bad feeling with rh3